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    Player Draylo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
    Rubbish is as rubbish does.

    Guarantee's three things.

    1. Goodbye FFXI
    2. Never going to join FFXIV
    3. SE needs to stick to making 1 player offline games and NEVER make another MMO.

    Also this is just Absorb TP and Saboteur again, real translation.

    "We can't think what to add so instead we'll weaken something to make it the same strength with
    gear, kupo!"


    EDIT:
    When does BLU get the nerf hammer, that jobs been OP for so long now.
    lol please let the door hit you on the way out. BLU doesn't need a nerf, thanks.
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    Player Daniel_Hatcher's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draylo View Post
    lol please let the door hit you on the way out. BLU doesn't need a nerf, thanks.
    You would say that.

    The word is biased, happens all the time. Especially from people who use third-party tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilk View Post
    BST pet treasure hunter gear will all come from top tier new Voidwatch of course!
    I'll laugh even as I eat crow if that happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
    You would say that.

    The word is biased, happens all the time.
    Appeal to motive while simultaneously trying to present oneself as an unbiased party. That's quite the trick, but it doesn't make for a sound argument.

    Especially from people who use third-party tools.
    Ironically, third-party tool users are probably in a better position to argue that BLU is overpowered given that the shifting nature of BLU is not efficiently compatible with FFXI's limited macro palette. You can definitely make it work with a little effort though.

    Is it a strong job? Yes. Its capabilities as a frontline DD and support unit have finally reached a point where it's a good (but not overwhelming) DD that can also provide a degree of support to the more powerful offensive units around it and also has some debuffing capabilities, though the most powerful ones (hello stun) have their limitations (95% hitrate cap, forced choice between roles when examining weapon selection). Overpowered? No. I'll call it overpowered when you consistently see more than one in an alliance as opposed to the steady wave of MNK/WAR/SAM.

    Word can be biased, but math less so and the game's mechanics are not so convulted as to disallow ready scrutiny of one's calculations. Any bias would thus be readily exposed.
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    Last edited by Nightfyre; 02-03-2012 at 09:18 AM.

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    Player Camiie's Avatar
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    An issue was discovered in which the Beastmaster job was inadvertently made effective. This issue will be addressed in a future content update.

    We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused.
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    Player Daniel_Hatcher's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camiie View Post
    An issue was discovered in which the Beastmaster job was inadvertently made effective. This issue will be addressed in a future content update.

    We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused.
    If you didn't know better you'd think that was from the devs themselves.
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    Player Zhronne's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camiie View Post
    An issue was discovered in which the Beastmaster job was inadvertently made effective. This issue will be addressed in a future content update.

    We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused.
    This sounds so real... Sigh.
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    And the autumn of life has finally come
    with the promise of winter thaw.

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    Player Sp1cyryan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camiie View Post
    An issue was discovered in which the Beastmaster job was inadvertently made effective. This issue will be addressed in a future content update.

    We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused.
    If I went through and quoted all the silly, complaining, whining, dumb posts in this thread I would be here all week. That being said I honestly hope the Dev team has learned to ignore 90% of the posts on the forum.

    TH does not make a job effective. Did no one ever play THF a few years ago? Remember that old "hey go hit the mob and stand around so you dont lolfeedthemobTP" deal they had?

    RNG gets its own brand of TH and then can later up the level of TH - Everyone yawns.
    BLU gets TH1 from setting spells - Everyone yawns
    BST pets get lowered to a base of TH1 with the mention of TH+gear for pets? - 'HOLY SH!T OMGWTFBBQ I AM QUITING THIS GAME SE STINKS BLAH BLAH CHICKEN LITTLE THE MTHFKNG SKY IS FALLIN' OH LAWDY LAWD! SAVE US!'

    As if TH was even something that mattered to BST. As if people started leveling BST over THF for TH. As if TH was a focus of BST. As if this is a significant event in the first place. As if Dynamis will suddenly end and be empty without every Perle BST and their mother running around with a Dipper or Falcorr.
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    Player Camiie's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan View Post
    If I went through and quoted all the silly, complaining, whining, dumb posts in this thread I would be here all week. That being said I honestly hope the Dev team has learned to ignore 90% of the posts on the forum.
    You mean the ones that disagree with your opinions right?


    TH does not make a job effective. Did no one ever play THF a few years ago? Remember that old "hey go hit the mob and stand around so you dont lolfeedthemobTP" deal they had?
    BST is regarded as a soloer. TH makes soloing for gear/items more effective.


    RNG gets its own brand of TH and then can later up the level of TH - Everyone yawns.
    BLU gets TH1 from setting spells - Everyone yawns
    BST pets get lowered to a base of TH1 with the mention of TH+gear for pets? - 'HOLY SH!T OMGWTFBBQ I AM QUITING THIS GAME SE STINKS BLAH BLAH CHICKEN LITTLE THE MTHFKNG SKY IS FALLIN' OH LAWDY LAWD! SAVE US!'

    I didn't see that post, could you link it for me?


    As if TH was even something that mattered to BST.
    It does matter since it's an ability our pets were given.


    As if people started leveling BST over THF for TH. As if TH was a focus of BST. As if this is a significant event in the first place. As if Dynamis will suddenly end and be empty without every Perle BST and their mother running around with a Dipper or Falcorr.
    I leveled BST for fun and solo ability. When they added pets with TH they added to that for me. Taking it away subtracts from those aspects. Yes having TH and potentially getting whatever I'm after faster is a nice bonus to both.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kristal View Post
    BST's have had their say.. can it be time for PUPs and SMNs to rejoice now?

    I'm guessing/hoping a Metal Detector attachment for automaton, and Cait Sith for SMN! And that Pet: TH+ is put on an earring slot.
    I'd die from shock if they gave something even slightly beneficial to SMN. I don't know if that's extra incentive for them to do it or not. Good luck to the PUPs though!
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    Last edited by Camiie; 02-09-2012 at 09:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan View Post
    If I went through and quoted all the silly, complaining, whining, dumb posts in this thread I would be here all week. That being said I honestly hope the Dev team has learned to ignore 90% of the posts on the forum.

    TH does not make a job effective. Did no one ever play THF a few years ago? Remember that old "hey go hit the mob and stand around so you dont lolfeedthemobTP" deal they had?

    RNG gets its own brand of TH and then can later up the level of TH - Everyone yawns.
    BLU gets TH1 from setting spells - Everyone yawns
    BST pets get lowered to a base of TH1 with the mention of TH+gear for pets? - 'HOLY SH!T OMGWTFBBQ I AM QUITING THIS GAME SE STINKS BLAH BLAH CHICKEN LITTLE THE MTHFKNG SKY IS FALLIN' OH LAWDY LAWD! SAVE US!'

    As if TH was even something that mattered to BST. As if people started leveling BST over THF for TH. As if TH was a focus of BST. As if this is a significant event in the first place. As if Dynamis will suddenly end and be empty without every Perle BST and their mother running around with a Dipper or Falcorr.
    Obviously you do not play BST (or maybe you do but you're clueless), otherwise you would've known why THF pets are so popular among BST (hint: it was because of a certain trait). No, BST aren't going to die because of this, career bst aren't Q.Q'n about this or preparing to quit the game, but do try to realize that nerfing a trait on a pet where the trait is the main reason for using the pet in the first place (warranted or not) is a pretty big deal.

    It's pretty useless trying to explain the mechanics of BST to someone who has most likely never touched the job and just seems to have just jumped on the bandwagon of people foaming at the mouth in anticipation of a bst nerf because they think it will clear dyanmis of all the perle/pink BSTs. Take a look at all the level 76+ jug pets BST has access to (~15 of them)... Wonder why you rarely see BST (who actually know what they're doing) running around with raptors, Lizards, Apkallu, lolfrog, leeches, flytrap, Fungar, Eft, Coeurl, Mandy, Fly, Lynx, Adamantoise, ect pets? Because those pets are generally useless. They have no defining traits, abilities and/or have low attack power and they fail to stand out over pets like slug, Rabbit, and Tiger.

    The main reason why BST use Dipper, Falcorr is for TH (you would know this if you played BST). Sure, those pets have other uses, such as evasion or wind resistance, but Treasure Hunter is the the main reason to use those pets. If BST didn't care about Treasure Hunter (as you suggested) why the hell would they be forking out 80-100k for a stack of these jugs that sell 15~25 stacks daily? The only other pet that cost more is Adamantoise at 300k/stack and they are no where near as popular (you would know why if you played BST) ...

    Top this off with the fiasco of the Jug pet poll (once again you would know this if you played bst) where Scorpion (DD pet) clearly had more votes but Falcorr (who didn't even make the top 3) won the votes any way because the developers either ignored the poll or used some sort of strange counting mechanism to skew the polls so JPs would get Falcorr (THF) which is now being nerfed for the sole reason why JPs voted for him in the first place (ie: Treasure Hunter) Then they turned around gave us a completely useless mascot pet (the frog) and the incredibly weak and useless Apkallu, where a stronger DD/Utilitly pet such as Scorpion, Kraken, Dhalmel, Ruszor, or even Slime (which I'm not to fond of) would've been light years ahead in usefulness even if they were toned down.

    Treasure Hunter(I) isn't going to be the death of the BST job, nor do I see career BST rallying with torches and pitchforks Q.Q'ng about how they plan to quit because of this update (Take a look at the BST forum where CAREER bst hang out. ) Personally I do not think the nerf is merited but I do not see it being a big deal. Just wanted to point out to the bandwagoners and the clueless that TH was only a big deal for these 2 Pets, not the BST job as a whole, since some people cannot seem to tell the difference.
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    Last edited by Mavrick; 02-09-2012 at 09:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrick View Post
    Obviously you do not play BST (or maybe you do but you're clueless), otherwise you would've known why THF pets are so popular among BST (hint: it was because of a certain trait). No, BST aren't going to die because of this, career bst aren't Q.Q'n about this or preparing to quit the game, but do try to realize that nerfing a trait on a pet where the trait is the main reason for using the pet in the first place (warranted or not) is a pretty big deal.

    It's pretty useless trying to explain the mechanics of BST to someone who has most likely never touched the job and just seems to have just jumped on the bandwagon of people foaming at the mouth in anticipation of a bst nerf because they think it will clear dyanmis of all the perle/pink BSTs. Take a look at all the level 76+ jug pets BST has access to (~15 of them)... Wonder why you rarely see BST (who actually know what they're doing) running around with raptors, Lizards, Apkallu, lolfrog, leeches, flytrap, Fungar, Eft, Coeurl, Mandy, Fly, Lynx, Adamantoise, ect pets? Because those pets are generally useless. They have no defining traits, abilities and/or have low attack power and they fail to stand out over pets like slug, Rabbit, and Tiger.

    The main reason why BST use Dipper, Falcorr is for TH (you would know this if you played BST). Sure, those pets have other uses, such as evasion or wind resistance, but Treasure Hunter is the the main reason to use those pets. If BST didn't care about Treasure Hunter (as you suggested) why the hell would they be forking out 80-100k for a stack of these jugs that sell 15~25 stacks daily? The only other pet that cost more is Adamantoise at 300k/stack and they are no where near as popular (you would know why if you played BST) ...

    Top this off with the fiasco of the Jug pet poll (once again you would know this if you played bst) where Scorpion (DD pet) clearly had more votes but Falcorr (who didn't even make the top 3) won the votes any way because the developers either ignored the poll or used some sort of strange counting mechanism to skew the polls so JPs would get Falcorr (THF) which is now being nerfed for the sole reason why JPs voted for him in the first place (ie: Treasure Hunter) Then they turned around gave us a completely useless mascot pet (the frog) and the incredibly weak and useless Apkallu, where a stronger DD/Utilitly pet such as Scorpion, Kraken, Dhalmel, Ruszor, or even Slime (which I'm not to fond of) would've been light years ahead in usefulness even if they were toned down.

    Treasure Hunter(I) isn't going to be the death of the BST job, nor do I see career BST rallying with torches and pitchforks Q.Q'ng about how they plan to quit because of this update (Take a look at the BST forum where CAREER bst hang out. ) Personally I do not think the nerf is merited but I do not see it being a big deal. Just wanted to point out to the bandwagoners and the clueless that TH was only a big deal for these 2 Pets, not the BST job as a whole, since some people cannot seem to tell the difference.
    Well played, sir.
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