99 Empyrean Trials.

[Armangetto]

I agree that the lvl 95 trials and the 99 trials for emps are a bit too much. But mainly the lvl 95 trial. They need to either reduce the amount of heavy metal plates or vastly increase the drop rate of plates, so the prices of plates can go down to a acceptable price range. Or both. If they lowered the amount of plates needed, what would be acceptable? I would say about 500. At 500 for 100k apiece would make it 50m to get the 95 trial done.

What if they never lower the amount of plates needed? No one wants to spend 150m plus for a slight upgrade. They might as well go make a relic and get it to lvl 95.

If they lower the plates needed to about 500. Then increase the drop rate of plates a bit.

If they dont lower the plates and leave it at 1500. Then change the drop rate of plates signifcantly. Have the lower teir VWNMs have a chance to drop a single plate. Have all the T4s from the 3 nations have a chance drop pouches, or a single plate 100% or a very high drop rate. Have the T3s and up drop pouches and the T6s a very high chance of droping 1 to 3 pouches.

A new cell can be introduced thats is made just for increasing the drop rate of plates and pouches. The trade off for using the cell is you dont get any of the good items but gives a very high chance of giving singles from the lower VWNMS and the higher Tier VWNMS drop 1,2 or 3 pouches. This way people can choose either to focus geting plates or gear. Plus the new cell would give incentive for people to help each other out. People who care about gear can get help, while those who are after plates can either sell or use them their own emp.

Just my thoughts.

[Registeel]

All of my agreement. Right now I only have Almace, Kannagi, and Ochain at 85, but I know that I can realistically get them all to 90 once I sit down and do the NMs with my friends. I'd love to have them all 95 someday, but a whopping 4500 just seems impossible unless I devote all my time to cruor farming, cashing all that out, then buying all plates I can see at all times. Hell even just 1500 seems out of my reach. I'd be all for a plate requirement decrease but, I know that's futile at this point. One can dream, though.

Well, perhaps with my luck on getting Kaggen's Mekira armor, perhaps I'll get enough heavy metal plates before I get the armor drop.... nah, my current ratio on plates from drops is pretty bad, haha.

[Creelo]

Would be really nice if in the future they had a VW fight or two that literally only dropped HMP, Riftcinder, Riftdross, HMP Pouches, and then perhaps Pouches of Riftcinder/dross as their super rare drop, as opposed to Equipment drops.

I wouldn't say limit all future VWNM HMP/Riftcinder/dross spoils to JUST these fights, but I do think fights like these would be highly appreciated for groups specifically trying finishing up those last couple Empy trials.

[Erics]

Would be really nice if in the future they had a VW fight or two that literally only dropped HMP, Riftcinder, Riftdross, HMP Pouches, and then perhaps Pouches of Riftcinder/dross as their super rare drop, as opposed to Equipment drops.

I wouldn't say limit all future VWNM HMP/Riftcinder/dross spoils to JUST these fights, but I do think fights like these would be highly appreciated for groups specifically trying finishing up those last couple Empy trials.

I would be happy with this. The amount of items needed wouldn't be so bad if there was a huge increase in drop rates for the items. The fact at 99, it seems we will be putting forth as much effort as the other weapons and the only thing we achieve is a tiny stat boost to our WS mod? While the other weapons have some nice boost to other aspects. People can cry over how some of the WS are "broken" all they want, but look at Quietus.. It sucks. Either SE needs to lower the items required, increase the drop rates for the items needed by a very acceptable percent, or 99 empy's deserve another type of boost, hidden effect, attack or accuracy+, or whatever. I'm not trying to flame or argue with anyone, this is just my opinion on the matter. Feel free to express yours, we can all talk like mature adults(I hope).

[DrStrangelove]

Would be really nice if in the future they had a VW fight or two that literally only dropped HMP, Riftcinder, Riftdross, HMP Pouches, and then perhaps Pouches of Riftcinder/dross as their super rare drop, as opposed to Equipment drops.

I wouldn't say limit all future VWNM HMP/Riftcinder/dross spoils to JUST these fights, but I do think fights like these would be highly appreciated for groups specifically trying finishing up those last couple Empy trials.

I'm sure relic owners would have liked a fight that only dropped pouches of Montients and 100 Byne bills. Empys are easy to make. Easy preezy. There is no reason to ask for more handouts of free stuff. At some point, empy owners are going to have do some work to get to 99. That starts at 95.

Relic and mythic owners wish they had it so good.

Try thinking about this:

BEFORE the relic is 75 and even useable, comes the $120 million.

BEFORE the mythic is 75 and useable, comes the $300 million and innumerable tasks.

The empy works great at 90 without a single dime and with less work!

[wish12oz]

I'm sure relic owners would have liked a fight that only dropped pouches of Montients and 100 Byne bills. Empys are easy to make. Easy preezy. There is no reason to ask for more handouts of free stuff. At some point, empy owners are going to have do some work to get to 99. That starts at 95.

Relic and mythic owners wish they had it so good.

Try thinking about this:

BEFORE the relic is 75 and even useable, comes the $120 million.

BEFORE the mythic is 75 and useable, comes the $300 million and innumerable tasks.

The empy works great at 90 without a single dime and with less work!

If you can make tons of gil, whats so hard about relics? Nothing, Empyreans require more effort, always have. And doing the 95 stage costs more then relics. Anyway, get out of my thread with your off topic comments. Empyrean trials for 95 and 99 are terrible, no one here cares about your boohooing that relics are easier then a 90 emp, and less expensive then a 95 emp.

[Helel]

If you can make tons of gil, whats so hard about relics? Nothing, Empyreans require more effort, always have. And doing the 95 stage costs more then relics. Anyway, get out of my thread with your off topic comments. Empyrean trials for 95 and 99 are terrible, no one here cares about your boohooing that relics are easier then a 90 emp, and less expensive then a 95 emp.

Camping NMs requires a lot of effort, and then you've got to lot on drops from abyssea NMs, and then you gotta go to jeuno to turn all the stuff in. Yeah, empyreans do require quite a bit of effort. That whole week of upgrading armageddon was tough stuff.

Give me a break. The HMPs are ridiculous yes, and it's just going to get worse once nyzul is released, but the cost pales in comparison to what 99 relics will cost. Umbral marrow will cost around 20m for it to be worth farming (which I doubt anyone will do anyway). That easily makes up the difference between empyrean and relics, and actually makes relics cost more. Rift items are a joke to get; you should be thanking SE that they didn't increase the number.

[DrStrangelove]

If you can make tons of gil, whats so hard about relics? Nothing, Empyreans require more effort, always have. And doing the 95 stage costs more then relics. Anyway, get out of my thread with your off topic comments. Empyrean trials for 95 and 99 are terrible, no one here cares about your boohooing that relics are easier then a 90 emp, and less expensive then a 95 emp.

The current amount of plates (1,500) is good as is.

1) Empys can be easily made into an endgame weapon (level 90) with zero cost. Zero. And hardly any work. WOW. Relics and mythic owners wish they had that. Empy's have a perfectly easy ride to 90.

2) If you want to upgrade it to 95, 1,500 plates is reasonable. 300 is simply a handout. That's the cost of 10% of a mythic just to make a mythic level 75. And with far less work.

3) Riftcinder/dross can be farmed at no cost or purchased. Even bought, the cost is still well WELL below a mythic.

Here is what you are asking:

A) let us have our free and easy preezy weapons to level 90
B) let us have them get to 99 for a fraction of what mythics and relics cost!
C) don't blame us because we like it that way!

I think end game level 99 weapons should take some time and effort. If you get it easy preezy at the start, then you have to make up for it at the end.

That's not the way to have good game balance. Now, let's stop asking for the best weapons to be easy!

[Erics]

B) let us have them get to 99 for a fraction of what mythics and relics cost!
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You do know relics are a lot cheaper then empy's HMP stage don't you?

[Camiie]

I'm sure relic owners would have liked a fight that only dropped pouches of Montients and 100 Byne bills. Empys are easy to make. Easy preezy. There is no reason to ask for more handouts of free stuff. At some point, empy owners are going to have do some work to get to 99. That starts at 95.

There are NO "handouts of free stuff." I still haven't had anything magically appear in my delivery box ever in the history of FFXI. I still haven't found a free gear Moogle on the live servers. Until those are there, there are no "handouts."

I think the problem you have is that Empyrean up to 90 just happens to be a reasonable system where Relic and Mythic never were. I'm sorry that the devs failed on creating fair systems with those 2 weapons, but that's no reason to add an unfair factor to a system they actually got right. That's not how balance works contrary to your and SE's belief.

If you'd like to see Mythics and Relics made more fair and reasonable then go for it. I'd be glad to back you up on your mission even if I never intend to obtain either one.