Arch Dynamis lords difficultly.

[Demon6324236]

Well if you want to look at it one way, the SCH can probably goto SMN just as much as a BRD can, I don't really see why not, and also Embrava & Haste can both be cast outside of the party unlike BRD, so they can be left out of the party for more room even, also last I knew, regen made things safer. And again you add something pointless to your response "I told you I'm better than you." why add this? We never said we were better that I recall... Simply that what you call "uselesss 100%" isn't worthless to us, it works for us, we like it, you don't use it for your strat so be it, didn't say were better because we use Embrava. And also that your "facts" are wrong on occasion like with SS, I didn't say I'm better than you at all.

[Monchat]

regen does nothing on this fight. 2500 HP, you have perfect defense.

[Rezeak]

You lose both thanks for proving you don't read.

SCH option : wasted character for the fight, uselesss 100%, doesn't bring minuet, doesn't bring the second stun

No SCH can't aoe stun..... o wait Manifestation + Celerity + stun = an AoE stun u can use every 18 secs o and it can do it from 20 dist

btw SCH can log on to a SMN or COR or w/e easily.... tho it's retarded to log your BRD or SCH but rather lock there 2hr on the ??? just saying thats all.

Anyway point still stands if you have a COR, SCH > BRD and BRD is only better when you have empeyan harp when u don't have a COR tho personally i have found regen far more useful.

[MarkovChain]

No SCH can't aoe stun..... o wait Manifestation + Celerity + stun.

What an idot really. Are you forgetting the fact that SCH is bound to stay out of PT/ally the whole fight ¿ Totally confirming that you don't kill ADL or attempt to follow the discussion.

[MarkovChain]

so they can be left out of the party for more room even, also last I knew, regen made things safer.

Ah k so if someone replaces the sch's spot then the BRDs setups are allowed to go with 3 smn stunning making the wiining rate 100% on 3 copies ? So for all your lol-SCh setup barely match my own BRD-start and you have to ADD one character lolz

[Yinnyth]

You lose both thanks for proving you don't read.

SCH option : wasted character for the fight, uselesss 100%, doesn't bring minuet, doesn't bring the second stun, only offers a few ticks of TP aka allows to TP a a few seconds earlier, therefore doesn't make the kill safer, and more importantly doesn't allow multiple clone kills (with 6 at least, otherwise it's irrelevant)
BRD option : 2xminuet, the BRd can log on a SMN for a second stun as well as an additionnal pop (+1 pop at least per run, before counting COR resets).

The difference is clear. My option adds probably ~2 pops per run, and the possibility to kill the second clone most of the time. I told you I'm better than you.

Why can't sch log on a second smn? Are you assuming that the sch and smn are on the same account instead of dualboxed? That sounds like a problem with your particular setup, not a problem with the idea of a sch being the source of your haste. You need to learn the difference between "impossible for my group to do effectively" and "impossible for ANY group to do effectively".

You're also assuming that EVERY bard has a level 99 daurdabla. In most groups, the bard just gives double march, or one march one minuet if they soulvoice. If it's double march vs. embrava? Embrava wins. Just because YOUR group has certain things doesn't mean EVERY group has those things too. This is why we're not arguing that YOUR group needs embrava. All we're saying is that when you say it's worthless, you're wrong.

[Demon6324236]

No SCH can't aoe stun..... o wait Manifestation + Celerity + stun = an AoE stun u can use every 18 secs o and it can do it from 20 dist

btw SCH can log on to a SMN or COR or w/e easily.... tho it's retarded to log your BRD or SCH but rather lock there 2hr on the ??? just saying thats all.

Anyway point still stands if you have a COR, SCH > BRD and BRD is only better when you have empeyan harp when u don't have a COR tho personally i have found regen far more useful.

Eh only flaw to this is SCH would have to have a sub without Haste, to cast Stun, which from what I understand is needed to cap haste with Embrava, so ya win some ya lose some.

Also as to regen being worthless, PD doesn't make you invincible, close, but not the same, some damage gets through, as such, regen covers up the small damage you take, not saying its needed by any means, but it does do something.

[Yinnyth]

regen does nothing on this fight. 2500 HP, you have perfect defense.

Again, regen does nothing FOR YOU on this fight. That doesn't mean it does nothing FOR OTHER PEOPLE. The way we do our fights, we don't pop PD until ADL is around 70% HP. What keeps us alive until then? Yeah, regen. Since ADL has nothing but crappy WSs until he gets lower on HP, the only thing we really need to worry about is a stray sleepga or breakga. And since we're holding back our damage before the split, it seems pointless to waste 20 seconds of PD's duration by using it before the pop.

Learn the difference between "useless for me" and "useless for you".

[MarkovChain]

Why can't sch log on a second smn? .

Because it has to lock its 2Hour of fail at the ¿¿¿

[Demon6324236]

Ah k so if someone replaces the sch's spot then the BRDs setups are allowed to go with 3 smn stunning making the wiining rate 100% on 3 copies ? So for all your lol-SCh setup barely match my own BRD-start and you have to ADD one character lolz

You miss my point, everything a SCH needs to do, can be done from outside of the party if you want where as a BRD must be in the party to perform its songs, very little advantage in such a thing but I was simply pointing it out. Honestly I figure both BRD & SCH are droped and someone added in most cases, but BRD has to be in the party as someone to buff them, SCH you can just throw in a party by themself in the alliance or have stand outside, and they can perform just as well.