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    Player Yinnyth's Avatar
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    You're saying 3-4 victory smites do 30% of his HP? 30% of 100,000 is 30k damage. 30,000/3= 10,000. 30,000/4= 7,500. So you're claiming your smites do roughly 7,500-10,000 damage. That's a helluva smite to do post-nerf. Not saying it's impossible, but... damn. If you had 15 people do 7,500 damage WSs, you'd overkill him before he even had a chance to split.

    Hrm... makes me wonder if I could find an army of resolution DRKs and WARs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yinnyth View Post
    You're saying 3-4 victory smites do 30% of his HP? 30% of 100,000 is 30k damage. 30,000/3= 10,000. 30,000/4= 7,500. So you're claiming your smites do roughly 7,500-10,000 damage. That's a helluva smite to do post-nerf. Not saying it's impossible, but... damn. If you had 15 people do 7,500 damage WSs, you'd overkill him before he even had a chance to split.

    Hrm... makes me wonder if I could find an army of resolution DRKs and WARs...
    4 VS, some if not all are mirrored in a Light SC, and a huge amount of DOT since not all monk ws at the same time and since SS lasts a good 10 sec minimum. I can understand that drk & war have no clue what dot means though. I'll remind you that if monks were 2 handed DDs they would have 300 ish DMG on their weapons with less delay.
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    Last edited by MarkovChain; 05-18-2012 at 07:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    4 VS, some if not all are mirrored in a Light SC, and a huge amount of DOT since not all monk ws at the same time and since SS lasts a good 10 sec minimum. I can understand that drk & war have no clue what dot means though. I'll remind you that if monks were 2 handed DDs they would have 300 ish DMG on their weapons with less delay.
    First of all, if you do 4 smites, 2 light SCs are the most you can get and that's if you delay between smites. That would still require 5k damage per smite assuming your light SCs go unresisted.

    Second of all, you claimed you save up TP to finish him off quickly and used that as an argument against regain. If you're delaying your smites enough so they all become part of a SC, you could actually make very good use of embrava. You wouldn't have to save up TP to do 2 SCs at the very end, you could keep doing SCs the whole darned fight.

    Third of all, a level 99 mnk with full h2h merits and no further h2h or martial arts gear has 48 base damage and 280 base delay. Add on a level 99 verethragna (+42 dmg, +51 delay) and you're 90 base damage and 331 delay. With enough h2h gear, you could boost that base damage up 2 points though, I suppose, so I'll give you 92dmg/331 delay. Also have to keep in mind that monks get to attack twice every attack round (sometimes 3 times), but that doesn't double your base damage. Even if we did let you just double it, you're still looking at only 184 which isn't 300ish.

    Fourth of all, we've already been over this with shock squall. 10 seconds is not the minimum duration. Even little level 0 mandies had it last for less than 10 seconds several times.
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    Player MarkovChain's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yinnyth View Post
    You wouldn't have to save up TP to do 2 SCs at the very end, you could keep doing SCs the whole darned fight.
    last I checked embrava doesn't give 300 tp at once so you are wrong (as always)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    last I checked embrava doesn't give 300 tp at once so you are wrong (as always)
    Neither does primeval brew, but it gives enough regain for one person to constantly self-SC.

    WS from MNK1 >> wait 5 seconds >> WS from MNK2 >> light SC + wait 5 seconds >> WS from MNK3 >> wait 5 seconds >> WS from MNK4 >> light SC + wait 5 seconds >> WS from MNK1 >> repeat. This gives 20 seconds between one person's first and second WSs. With maxed haste and embrava, the average DD should get 100TP in just under 10 seconds. That is plenty of time to keep the SCs going.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    Dont bother replying if your only going to respond to 1 part of a post btw
    Unfortunately, I tend to do the same thing. If I tried to reply to every last detail in a post, I'd wind up creating a wall of text even larger than the original post and almost no one would read it. Personally, I read the whole post and try my best to understand what the poster was really trying to say before responding. Pchan, however...

    Well, this is him responding to a post I made in which I actually linked a video of my test for anyone to scrutinize. He even quoted my entire post in the response, including the link to my video, and the breakdown of my test results:
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    In summary, you are a troll claiming shit without testing ? got it. Good luck in your battle to prove pchan is wrong on something he never claimed nor cares at all (multiple targets or w/e you did). I claimed SS has a set duration and it does up to partial resist values. No maybe one day you'll do more than 10 attempts lol.
    Yes, that's right. He quoted my test results, then opened his post by saying I claim [explitive] without testing. And this is why I find him so entertaining. He actually accuses me of not reading and/or understanding what he is trying to say:
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    For your info he is wrong because you and him can't read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    last I checked embrava doesn't give 300 tp at once
    No, not 300%TP at once, it gives you more TP more quickly, meaning you can WS again faster and continue SCing after the last one finishes. Unless I missed it at some point where he said "Embrava gives you 300TP" then by all means, yes, your correct. From what I understand hes saying you can continue SCing with 4 MNKs when your getting an extra 7TP a tick, that seems fairly reasonable seeing as the TP gain your talking about with the time it takes for the other 3 MNKs to WS. I'm sure in the time it takes the 3 MNKs to WS the 4th MNK will have attacked enough (especially with regain) to WS again, continuing with the next MNK, and so on, so that your constantly able to SC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yinnyth View Post
    you could keep doing SCs the whole darned fight.
    Yeah, looks like what I said, MNK1 gets the TP to SC with MNK2 by the time MNK3 & MNK4 have finished theirs, sounds right to me!

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    you are wrong (as always)
    He showed a clear example of you being wrong, so as for him being wrong always, no, you need to check your opponents previous posts before you even attempt to argue back. In this case you simply make yourself look like a fool who doesn't even pay attention to what is said, you read half a post, think you know what is said, and rant off how your omnipotent and must be correct while everyone else is wrong every time they disagree with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    No my group has the perfect setup.
    Wow, perfect? No room at all for improvement? Last I checked perfect meant the absolute best, so you have afterglows? Because this would be best, obviously not "perfect"... everything can be improved, you simply refuse to think anyone could possibly do this better than you...



    The sad thing is that while you do this and people argue with you in return, they probably do it just to laugh at your ignorance, a nice bit of humor for them to start the day watching someone try to say something obviously wrong, is correct.

    People keep telling you, be smarter about how you talk to people, and you would get respect, but you don't listen to them, and till then people will do this with you every time, because you make them, and because you refuse to see the truth. When someone says something is wrong, prove them its right. Prove, means have proof, if you cannot do this, do not try to change their mind, they have no reason to change their position on the matter, you have given them no reason to.

    And please, don't try to say...
    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    because this is FFXI, you don't have to prove it.
    because that just means I can say... I can solo ADL on RDM... and ya know what, its true, because this is FFXI, I don't have to prove it! But no, you do have to prove it, because its how the world works, if we just took everyones word for it then we would have chaos, so we want proof, what makes you right, and Yinnyth wrong? When you can answer this, WITH PROOF, you might be able to be correct, till then, you will be wrong because of your lack of evidence to support your words.



    Yes, I know thats a wall, oh well, alot needs to be said about this pointless talk/argument...
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    Last edited by Demon6324236; 05-19-2012 at 06:58 AM.

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    He probably means 3 or 4 VS per mnk.
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    I want to say that there's a middle ground here but this isn't really middle ground. A lot of old systems were shit. Some new systems aren't much better. What's in the middle of shit and shit? More Shit. So no, I don't want a middle ground. I want something good.
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    No. 3-4 victory smites ( + the corresponding light skill chains and melee attacks : when a mnk WS the other is meleeing) take easilly 30%. I aggreee with him. THe regain on embrava is irrelevant in a zerg in genera, especially for 2-handers who get tp so fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monchat View Post
    THe regain on embrava is irrelevant in a zerg in genera, especially for 2-handers who get tp so fast.
    Except 7 tp alone allows WAR and DRK to easily 6 hit w/ Ragnarok w/almost no gear sacrifices....

    Either way like i said you can't prove regain has 0 effect even overflow adds DMG to WSes

    I mean it comes down to this if you have a SCH and why not have as much Regain as you can.

    anyway i'm sure you won't drop this and it but my point is still valid that saying something is 100% useless when it clearly has some effect (if even a small effect) is why pchan/mdkuser is considered an unreible source and why pple ask him to post Vids and stuff because there so unclear.
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    Last edited by Rezeak; 05-19-2012 at 06:23 AM.
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    Wow Pimpchan...

    You really love to put down others while looking like a complete dumbass at the same time. I'm glad not every french players are like you.

    Inb4 ban ^^
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