Dynamis: way too much junk.

[Yinnyth]

Edit: Nevermind.

Thank you all for your time. I will take the lessons you have taught me back to my linkshell and we will learn to deal with the problem ourselves.

Edit edit: If you wish to see what this whole thread was about, see reply #24. I myself have quoted the OP with one correction due to a typo. If you don't believe it's a direct quote, feel free to read the other replies throughout the thread and compare. I am attempting to be humble in defeat. Please do not mistake this edit as retreat. It is surrender.

[Nynja]

1-Toss pop items in storage, and they stop dropping
2-no...unless you're dumdum, 50 forgotten's is a lot pricier than 30 forgottens and ~20-30 currency.
3-then dont kill tauri
4-they only drop from NM's, so its nota big deal
5-why? Just because YOU dont need them doesnt mean others dont.

[Alerith]

2. Remove the AF2-1 completely. There's a trial to upgrade to +1 now. We don't need 2 methods to reach the same goal.

You seem to be confused. There is no trial that will take your AFv2 to +1. There are only two trials that take your AFv2 to +2 depending on if it's already +1 or not.

[Dreamin]

Simpler solution: learn to pass on the junks and not farm the mobs that you dont need drop from. If you aggro them by accident, then learn how to move around (sneak/invisible also helps for the non-true-sight/non-true-sound ones). If you have to kill mob that drop junk, learn to pass.

[Yinnyth]

1-Toss pop items in storage, and they stop dropping
2-no...unless you're dumdum, 50 forgotten's is a lot pricier than 30 forgottens and ~20-30 currency.
3-then dont kill tauri
4-they only drop from NM's, so its nota big deal
5-why? Just because YOU dont need them doesnt mean others dont.

1. We kill the higher tier enemies, so we need their pops. However, we tend to wind up with about 7 of the pop items we don't need just clogging up the loot pool. Furthermore, it's unreasonable of me to ask everyone in my LS to hold on to 41 pop items in their storage so they stop dropping when we're not hitting NMs.

2. That's for people who buy their af2+2. Plus you're not factoring in the cost of going after the -1 piece, and that -1 pieces only drop in CoP zones, and that CoP zones have a much poorer drop rate on forgs than RoZ zones. Forgs will drop in price over time as people complete their armor, anyways.

3. Ok we'll just... hey, wait. Taurii are those true-sight things which are all over the narrow hallways leading to that time extension in Tavnazia. I'm sorry, are you seriously against fellow hydra gear being removed from the game?

4. orly? Only NMs have exp scrolls? And you'd be sad to see them go why?

5. Dynamis is not a good source of mythril beastcoins. No one goes to Dynamis hoping to get mythril beastcoins. They would not be missed by anyone.

Your views on this appear to be those of someone who solos Dynamis. Please, try to see this through the eyes of someone who has led more than 400 Dynamis runs over the years. I find it hard to believe you would be so opposed to these changes- how do they negatively impact you, exactly?

[Yinnyth]

You seem to be confused. There is no trial that will take your AFv2 to +1. There are only two trials that take your AFv2 to +2 depending on if it's already +1 or not.

The +1 version is absolute trash though. It's barely an improvement over the original piece. No one stops at af2+1 and says "eh, I don't really need the +2". It's just getting them closer to the +2. I honestly think the +1 should've been boosted to the +2 stats instantly, but that's a seperate topic. I'm just trying to cut out the clutter in Dynamis.

Edit: Oh, I'm sorry, I see what you mean now. Yeah, I meant +2, not +1.

[Nynja]

1. We kill the higher tier enemies, so we need their pops. However, we tend to wind up with about 7 of the pop items we don't need just clogging up the loot pool. Furthermore, it's unreasonable of me to ask everyone in my LS to hold on to 41 pop items in their storage so they stop dropping when we're not hitting NMs.

Clearly you guys are either passing them, or tossing them, because if you werent, they wouldnt be dropping.

41 items you say? Are you guys doing rounds in every area or something? lol

2. That's for people who buy their af2+2. Plus you're not factoring in the cost of going after the -1 piece, and that -1 pieces only drop in CoP zones, and that CoP zones have a much poorer drop rate on forgs than RoZ zones. Forgs will drop in price over time as people complete their armor, anyways.

Because people arent getting -1's just farming in cop areas for currency...lol, cmon man, better arguments here pls. The real problem would be the NQ if anything cause no one really does beastmen in cop areas, and people dont really do cities/northlands.

3. Ok we'll just... hey, wait. Taurii are those true-sight things which are all over the narrow hallways leading to that time extension in Tavnazia. I'm sorry, are you seriously against fellow hydra gear being removed from the game?

OH NOZ, the 5 tauri you have to kill to get to the orc TE is going to rape your loot pool, OH MI GOSHHHHHHHHH, THINK OF THE CHILDRENNNNNNNN

Your views on this appear to be those of someone who solos Dynamis. Please, try to see this through the eyes of someone who has led more than 400 Dynamis runs over the years. I find it hard to believe you would be so opposed to these changes- how do they negatively impact you, exactly?

Because I didnt run a dynamis LS for 5 years.
Mythril coins only dropped from statues, if anything, which now statues dont drop anything (atleast the TE ones dont, I dont know why you'd kill any other statues)

[Yinnyth]

Simpler solution: learn to pass on the junks and not farm the mobs that you dont need drop from. If you aggro them by accident, then learn how to move around (sneak/invisible also helps for the non-true-sight/non-true-sound ones). If you have to kill mob that drop junk, learn to pass.

If everyone passes, yeah, the AF2 would go poof and we'd have more space for forgs and currency. But since not everyone does pass, we wind up with NINE AF2 PIECES IN THE POOL MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO LOT/PASS ANYTHING THAT ISN'T RA/EX BECAUSE IT JUST INSTANTLY SORTS AFTER IT DROPS. We're a linkshell. We're not a solo person. Lotting and passing takes time away from pulling and killing, and we have LOTS of crap dropping each kill, so it would be a nightmare keeping up with lotting/passing it all. Think about cells in Zhayolm Remnants- that's the kind of loot nightmare we have in Dynamis; no one can keep up with everything that's being dropped unless they use lightluggage, and even if they do use lightluggage, lightluggage can't lot or pass the stuff that sorts without being put into the loot pool.

I get the feeling people don't understand what I'm saying here, so I'll try to be more clear. If you have 9 pieces of ra/ex stuff in the pool, that leaves 1 other space for loot to drop into. If you kill something while 9 pieces of ra/ex gear is in the pool, and the enemy drops 4 bynes and 2 forgs, 5 of those items automatically get sorted to someone, while one stays in the pool. That is the annoyance we're facing every run.

[Yinnyth]

Clearly you guys are either passing them, or tossing them, because if you werent, they wouldnt be dropping.

41 items you say? Are you guys doing rounds in every area or something? lol

Yes, we are. Why? I mean, we're a Dynamis linkshell. If one of the members wants something from Dynamis, we go after that. We're not there to make gil by selling forgs and currency. We're there to reach goals for our members. And yes, one of our regular members drops pop items as soon as they sort to him. He refuses to use LL, and he refuses to hold onto the pop items. Also, I still don't see an argument as to why 1 pop item per zone would be a bad thing for Dynamis. All I see is "YOU HAVE PROBLEMS THAT I DON'T SO DEAL WITH IT LOL".

Because people arent getting -1's just farming in cop areas for currency...lol, cmon man, better arguments here pls. The real problem would be the NQ if anything cause no one really does beastmen in cop areas, and people dont really do cities/northlands.

If they're after currency, they're after currency. If they're after af2+2, they're after af2+2. I can see the appeal of doing one set of enemies in Dynamis and having that set of enemies being the best source of currency, forgs, -1s, and neo NM loot, but it's imbalanced and results in a deluge of loot that no one wants.

OH NOZ, the 5 tauri you have to kill to get to the orc TE is going to rape your loot pool, OH MI GOSHHHHHHHHH, THINK OF THE CHILDRENNNNNNNN

You told me not to kill them without realizing that's an impossibility. Now your argument is that we don't lose much? Well what do you lose if the hydra fellow gear is removed? What does anyone lose? Oh sorry, let me put this a way that's easier for you to understand:

OH NOZ, the 5 most worthless pieces of gear in the game were removed which completely nerfed everyone who plays, OH MI GOSHHHHHHHH, THINK OF THE CHILDRENNNNNNNNNNN.

Seriously, how would them getting removed be a bad thing?

Mythril coins only dropped from statues, if anything, which now statues dont drop anything (atleast the TE ones dont, I dont know why you'd kill any other statues)

Neoboss stones can drop beastcoins too. Is a real kick in the pants when Jeuno stone gives us oneiros knife and a mythril coin. And I honestly don't even know why they have stones that aren't the TEs in the zones anymore. As for why we kill them? When you kill as fast as we do, you run out of stuff to pull in the immediate vicinity and have to do longer-range pulls. In tight-quarters like Windurst and Jeuno, the puller is likely to wind up with a stone every now and then.

removing the coin drops would admittedly be a small change for our LS overall, and I wouldn't be sad if SE outright told me "no" on that one. I'm just trying to cut the fat in as many sensible places as possible. The one that would have the biggest change for my LS is honestly the one that no one has criticized yet: making it so high tier mobs don't drop AF2, relic weapons, or crafting mats. I'm guessing that's because everyone who's criticizing me are people who farm the low tier mobs.

[Nynja]

You've been doing dynamis as a full scale LS event this entire time? Maybe you're the one doing it wrong