Guest or New Player 20min default log out

[Jasonw]

I agree it should be set to automatically off as i can't think of another MMORPG that disconnect's you for being AFK for any peroid of time.But once you find out you can change it in config. it's not a big deal but new players won't realise that but then again FFXI (i think) wasn't built for a casual audience and is more geared towards hard-core gamers who know how to set stuff up like macro's and the like.

[Rewyen]

Love the sarcasm

So let me get this straight... it would be easier for a team of developers working on dozens of other projects to stop and re-write a code to auto-default a setting that is plain as day switchable in-game under the settings menu and will not reset upon logging out? I just wanna make sure we're clear on laziness here.

[Arcon]

So let me get this straight... it would be easier for a team of developers working on dozens of other projects to stop and re-write a code to auto-default a setting that is plain as day switchable in-game under the settings menu and will not reset upon logging out?

Yes. Because that "re-write of code", as you so casually call it, consists of changing a value from 10 to 0, or possibly from 1 to 0, or from either to -1, depending on how they implemented it. Admittedly, they may have forgotten how they implemented it, so it might take another 10 seconds to look at the array to see what the representation for "OFF" is. It wouldn't take "a team of developers working on dozens of other projects to stop" to do it, but one guy sacrificing half a minute of his lunch break. He could even do it with one hand while eating a sandwich with the other and watching his favorite daytime anime. And judging by this thread, he'd gain the respect of at least seven people from doing so. Sounds like a good deal to me.

[Brytor]

and will not reset upon logging out? I just wanna make sure we're clear on laziness here.

The problem is as stated if you have more then 4 Ids you have to log in as guest for the others which does reset on logging out and you have to set it each time you log in. It's VERY annoying.

[Rewyen]

Or...
Menu>Settings>Global>Off

I don't see how this is even remotely worthy of debate. Why not just give everyone the option to create an obese character and throw in some product placement from McDonalds if manually doing something is that much of a chore?

[Arcon]

I don't see how this is even remotely worthy of debate.

Well, then why argue if you obviously don't understand how it's of concern to us? We listed our (valid) reasons, if you don't get it, don't bother arguing. There's no argument against it, and that includes your argument for wasting development time, because it wouldn't waste any (as I've previously detailed).

You were quite correct in calling that a chore, because that's what it is. And chores are just that, chores. They're not challenge, they're not fun, hence they don't belong in any game. Being too lazy for manual labor is an indication of the modern human.

[Rewyen]

You were quite correct in calling that a chore, because that's what it is. And chores are just that, chores. They're not challenge, they're not fun, hence they don't belong in any game. Being too lazy for manual labor is an indication of the modern human.

Wow... Now while I'm admittedly ignorant of how this applies to guest logins (as I've never done that and cannot speak from experience) I can say that for everyone else, a simple menu adjustment could hardly be a chore, and if you see it that way, maybe you should ask the development team to incorporate voice commands and send you a monkey to play for you if moving your thumbs is too daunting a task.

Good God, I weep for this generation.

[Arcon]

Wow... Now while I'm admittedly ignorant of how this applies to guest logins (as I've never done that and cannot speak from experience) I can say that for everyone else, a simple menu adjustment could hardly be a chore, and if you see it that way, maybe you should ask the development team to incorporate voice commands and send you a monkey to play for you if moving your thumbs is too daunting a task.

So you're saying voice commands are bad? Better controllers are bad? Better interfaces are bad, anything that takes away from manual activity is bad? I can see why you don't understand my arguments then. You think cars are bad too right? Because they're for people who are too lazy to walk? Escalators and elevators too, because it would do people some good to lose that fat, right? And don't get me started on gas ovens! When did it become too hard for a grown man to cut down a tree and chop some firewood? Why did people get so lazy?

How does it feel knowing your generation will be replaced by machines soon? And for the better, I might add. Machines don't complain so much.

[Babekeke]

Wow... Now while I'm admittedly ignorant of how this applies to guest logins (as I've never done that and cannot speak from experience) I can say that for everyone else, a simple menu adjustment could hardly be a chore, and if you see it that way, maybe you should ask the development team to incorporate voice commands and send you a monkey to play for you if moving your thumbs is too daunting a task.

Good God, I weep for this generation.

You really don't seem to get it. It's not down to "Sheer laziness" as you like to put it, it's down to "Sheer forgetfulness". And it's hard to "stop being so goddam forgetful, dammit!"

[Scribble]

I can say that for everyone else, a simple menu adjustment could hardly be a chore, and if you see it that way, maybe you should ask the development team to incorporate voice commands and send you a monkey to play for you if moving your thumbs is too daunting a task.

What's the problem with defaulting this setting to 'off'? Think of it this way, imagine that everyday you logged in you had to open the menu and change your inventory sort to 'auto'.

Now I understand that the number of people who have to log in as a 'guest' is not the majority, but it would take one person far less time to adjust the default setting in the menu then it does for however many people to go change the menu setting.

Note: SE has made several adjustments to UI and configuration as recently as weeks ago with more coming in the next update. That said, making these types of 'quality of life' adjustments are not below them, they obviously don't feel it's a waste of their time and it makes your argument look silly.