Enmity

[Zagen]

Well just the presence of a bard period makes it a rare occasion if you ask me.

And again with this "spamming cure" thing. I never know how to respond to this comment, but if you are suggesting Paladins using their heal spells is a dead idea and has been dead for a long time, maybe you should start waking it back up cause i coudn't do 99% of the things i do without it

Perfect example the Cockatrice NM in Abyssea - Altepa that drops PLD/RDM/THF/SAM Hand Seals I went MNK/DNC with a group that was MNK, WHM, THF, PLD, BLM. The PLD is the one that usually tanks a lot of NMs when we're holding them to get !!s we need. Also decently geared/skilled when it comes to a survivalist PLD (lacks a good DD set that is decent IMO) and the only time he tanked while using Cure IV as needed on my MNK was when cover was up. I tanked all of the fights many of them just by meleeing.

Can you explain what happened? I mean he was curing me the WHM was a Dualbox just there for Stona and "Oh Crap" moments.

Edit: The moment you cast 1 Cure IV you've lost more hate than I can gain from meleeing on PLD so Spamming can range from once in a while to every time it is ready to go. It sucks for hate gain period unless you bring a level 30 mule and cure cheat with them.

[Dale]

Perfect example the Cockatrice NM in Abyssea - Altepa that drops PLD/RDM/THF/SAM Hand Seals I went MNK/DNC with a group that was MNK, WHM, THF, PLD, BLM. The PLD is the one that usually tanks a lot of NMs when we're holding them to get !!s we need. Also decently geared/skilled when it comes to a survivalist PLD (lacks a good DD set that is decent IMO) and the only time he tanked while using Cure IV as needed on my MNK was when cover was up. I tanked all of the fights many of them just by meleeing.

Can you explain what happened? I mean he was curing me the WHM was a Dualbox just there for Stona and "Oh Crap" moments.

Edit: The moment you cast 1 Cure IV you've lost more hate than I can gain from meleeing on PLD so Spamming can range from once in a while to every time it is ready to go. It sucks for hate gain period unless you bring a level 30 mule and cure cheat with them.

Well i can't really comment on this, i've never fought the cockatrice NM thingy.

I did however fight some spider NM in abyssea that dropped a seal for ninja and dancer, and would have never been able to kill it had I not used my healing spells to keep myself alive

Look - if you dont' want to heal on your paladin and think it's a waste that's your business. I think it's silly and see no value in playing a Paladin if you aren't going to use your healing spells, but that is - afterall - just my opinion. There is turning into a dead end argument, case you are never going to convince me healing isn't worth doing and I guess i'm never going to convince you healing is worth doing.

Let's just agree to disagree on this one.

[Zagen]

Well i can't really comment on this, i've never fought the cockatrice NM thingy.

I did however fight some spider NM in abyssea that dropped a seal for ninja and dancer, and would have never been able to kill it had I not used my healing spells to keep myself alive

Look - if you dont' want to heal on your paladin and think it's a waste that's your business. I think it's silly and see no value in playing a Paladin if you aren't going to use your healing spells, but that is - afterall - just my opinion. There is turning into a dead end argument, case you are never going to convince me healing isn't worth doing and I guess i'm never going to convince you healing is worth doing.

Let's just agree to disagree on this one.

The topic is on Enmity >.> I'd hope you could see that I'm pointing out cures are pointless because they cause you to gain less hate than the melee swings you'd get to swing if you didn't cast cures. When you have support you shouldn't have moments where you need to cure much.

But as you said all you care about is using your cures because you want to regardless of how they affect Enmity and efficiency as a tank.