Quote Originally Posted by Dale View Post
How much do you hit them without Atma?

Or an elemental let's say not inside abyssea.
I wouldn't be hitting Chukwa without Atma. False comparison to the extreme.

Adamantoise without Atma? About the same as Chukwa with Atma.

Elementals outside Abyssea are even easier, as I already mentioned. They don't have huge def, their def sucks. They just have -50% PDT. It's fairly easy to hit 1k-3k WS on them, depending on self-buffs.