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    Small Request to Raise Dagger's Base Damage a tad.

    Hello again Thief friends! (And DNC's I guess, This affects you!)

    I have just a small request to the Dev team. Can they increase Dagger base damage by a small amount? Only level ~80+ ones, As an Example:

    Weapon - Original - New
    Kila - DMG:38 - DMG:39
    Kila +1 - DMG:41 - DMG:42
    Kila +2 - DMG:43 - DMG:45
    Kila +3 - DMG:45 - DMG:47
    Thokcha - DMG:47 - DMG:49
    Mandau85 - DMG:46 - DMG:48
    Mandau90 - DMG:49 - DMG:51
    Mandau95 - DMG:53 - DMG:55
    Mandau99 - DMG:55 - DMG:59
    Twasthar85 - DMG:45 - DMG:47
    Twasthar90 - DMG:48 - DMG:50
    Twasthar95 - DMG:52 - DMG:54
    Twasthar99 - DMG:55 - DMG:58
    Lux Pugio - DMG:48 - DMG:50
    Coruscanti - DMG:49 - DMG:51
    Supernal Knife - DMG:49 - DMG:52
    Asteria - DMG:50 - DMG:53

    And basically, all other level ~85+ Daggers have their Base Damage raised by 1-2. I know it doesn't seem like a lot, But i feel daggers got kinda jipped when it came to damage increases from 76~99.

    Again, Small request. But something i feel would be a nice upgrade. It'd be a small boost to THF and DNC, but a boost non-the-less.
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    i like this.

    One exemple i can think of on how dagger got jipped is kikoku vs mandau. Back at 75 it was 42 vs 39 base damage. At 99 it's 64 vs 55. Where is the love SE?!

    Then again katana and dagger have similar dps right now. Increasing their base damage would give quite an edge to daggers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laphine View Post
    Where is the love SE?!
    All the love they stored up for THF over the course of almost a decade was unleashed at once in the magnificence that is Bully. Don't expect any less than five years to go by before they do anything else that could please us, unless, of course, you'd be satisfied with five new TH items, all of them daggers, with lower base damage than any of the suggested ones here. Because SE knows as well as every other person who doesn't play THF that we're nothing but TH whores.
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    I thought about adding Katana to the list - Honestly, They deserve a small upping as well.
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    I wonder. And then how would swords fare there? lol I sense a chain reaction. All high end weapons seem to have similar dps. Oh wait, i just noticed the 2H ones seem to have the highest now. Yeah...it should have been the other way around considering how 2H is favored these days.
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    Sword has actually gotten a much larger boost than most 1 handed weaponry.

    Excalibur actually has higher DPS than Mandau at 99.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    Sword has actually gotten a much larger boost than most 1 handed weaponry.

    Excalibur actually has higher DPS than Mandau at 99.
    It should have a higher DPS than a dagger, all swords should. Daggers are weaker but less Delay with Swords being stronger but with more delay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
    It should have a higher DPS than a dagger, all swords should. Daggers are weaker but less Delay with Swords being stronger but with more delay.
    Daggers are classically generally the king of DPS Weaponry since they're all but f**k-useless otherwise. Swords should not have a higher DPS. They should be slightly behind Dagger, Not far, But slightly behind.

    Swords DPS should be close to Dagger, But slightly below. Daggers should not be Weaker and Less Damage over time than Swords. Swords should have Higher Base damage, But Slightly less DPS Than Daggers.

    Daggers shouldn't have the Lowest Base Damage and Medium DPS, Generally the scale tips in the direction of

    High Damage - Low DPS
    Low Damage - High DPS

    it was like that at 75 at least, Not everything should be the same (I.E Ragnarok being highest DPS right now i think its a good idea, Only because of how this game works and GS generally frowned upon at level 75), But its like, An unwritten law D:!

    Besides, This boost to Daggers wouldn't effect how a BLU or PLD DD's, It'd just make THF and DNC a slight SLIGHT bit more competitive. Enough to make a difference? Maybe not, But enough to make us happy? yes.
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    Last edited by Karbuncle; 01-28-2012 at 11:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
    It should have a higher DPS than a dagger, all swords should. Daggers are weaker but less Delay with Swords being stronger but with more delay.
    You're confusing DPS with Base Damage.
    DPS = Damage Per Second.
    You can have 2 weapons: 1 weak and low delay, 1 strong with high delay with identical DPS. This is the area that relics should be at 99, but Mandau ALWAYS worked out as the highest DPS in the game. Now at 99 Twashtar equals it, and other weapons are surpassing it. It's just not right.
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    Indeed, it's a shame mandau lost the dps crown. But one-hand weapons sure have close dps. Excal vs mandau is 1880 vs 1875. Now something like ragnarok...1991. Crazy.
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