New 99 trials

[saevel]

Hmm 10 PW / 20 ADL isn't so bad, but only if two conditions are applied.

#1. Make ADL / PW fight significantly more obtainable. For ADL this means either removing the "clones of death" or adjusting his damage output down and instead give him a ton of HP. He should no longer be able to one shot / nearly one shot entire alliances. Zeni should be easier to come by and PW pop sets should be made easier to build.

#2. Increase the drop rate of items to 1~3, preferably 2 minimum.

If those were in place, then it would be obtainable within a six month period of time for relic holders without sacrificing events.

Something I'm beginning to notice is people demanding things that can be done in a week or three, this isn't good for a game. Now anyone reading my posts would know that I'm probably one of if not the most anti-RNG / grind poster on this forum. This should not be a grind, but it shouldn't be a "drop everything for two or three weeks and get it done" event either. Should be something you work on over the course of ~six months, nine if your schedule is restricted.

SE needs to stop making NM's with huge offensive power and low HP. NM's should only be aoe hitting you for ~650 HP but should take 15~30 min of constant DPS to bring down. This would turn all the fights from zerg fests into endurance battles.

[Snoo]

So I just had to come here and look for myself what the new relic trial was, see if it was real, etc...

Read thru all (most?) of the posts about the trials, and I agree with some ( a lot) of what is said except a few points:

Making the items needed bazaarable at all makes little/no sense to me. No other relic trial required a item, was all kills. No mythic trial required a item, was all kills. But empy weapons are bazaarable items, so I get staying with that. What I don't get is getting these items outside of abyssea. Then again, relic weapons were kill shots outside of dyna so maybe it makes sense?

I do see and agree with the arguments that DL should be T1 and ADL should be T2. That just makes sense to me. DL can be low manned. Not easy, but do-able with a competant group of 6-12. What is difficult is that few whm did club, so they are really just there to help from the niceness of their hearts. Or a "you take any/all coins that drop" type deal. Whatever. 20 DL kills is 100% do-able, and makes sense. ADL kills...not so much. The one thing I do not see mentioned is the fact that dyna is no longer a closed event. Just think of this: you get 18 people together. 18 competant people that you trust to kill ADL. So in you go, ready for 2 hours of dyna! You are a great person and already have your ADL pop set ready to go! But wait! is that another LS up there? How many pops are they doing? Are they taking 30 min to kill each DL they have a pop for? You can only do so many ADL per day, and you are fighting with everyone else to get pop items, not to mention just popping ADL. Last I saw, ADL only had one ??? to pop. You are not only scrambling to get help, you are scrambling just to pop him. 20 times. At least 20 times.

Not like mythic is any easier. PW is not low-man-able last I saw, but it has been a while since I looked. And even if it is doable with low numbers, just making a PW pop set is no easy task. But most mythic holders might still have a PW pop set from the 95 trial. Might. If they didn't "spend" it already. 1 down 9 to go! With only one ??? again. So again, fighting with others for pop set and pop. Seems that PW has drops for about all jobs tho, so getting the help is a tad easier?

I am not saying that 3000 rift item is going to be a easy task, heck, even the 1500 plates is daunting. But frankly, VW can be spammed all day and night. And can be purchased in bazaar. I would not ever pay 150,000,000 gil for a level 95 empy weapon (assuming "you" bazaared bought it all), but it is doable.

I just do not get what they are thinking over there at SE. If they were looking for a way to push away their player base so they could justify closing the game, I think they are getting closer to that goal. First with abyssea lowering the player skill base, then the payment fiasco, now this? At least this comes as the weather turns nice so I can get out at night more. I sure will not be on FFXI if this comes about.

[Damane]

Hmm 10 PW / 20 ADL isn't so bad, but only if two conditions are applied.

#1. Make ADL / PW fight significantly more obtainable. For ADL this means either removing the "clones of death" or adjusting his damage output down and instead give him a ton of HP. He should no longer be able to one shot / nearly one shot entire alliances. Zeni should be easier to come by and PW pop sets should be made easier to build.

#2. Increase the drop rate of items to 1~3, preferably 2 minimum.

If those were in place, then it would be obtainable within a six month period of time for relic holders without sacrificing events.

Something I'm beginning to notice is people demanding things that can be done in a week or three, this isn't good for a game. Now anyone reading my posts would know that I'm probably one of if not the most anti-RNG / grind poster on this forum. This should not be a grind, but it shouldn't be a "drop everything for two or three weeks and get it done" event either. Should be something you work on over the course of ~six months, nine if your schedule is restricted.

SE needs to stop making NM's with huge offensive power and low HP. NM's should only be aoe hitting you for ~650 HP but should take 15~30 min of constant DPS to bring down. This would turn all the fights from zerg fests into endurance battles.

DIAF because honeslty the 1.5 year I put into my relic years ago was allready enough. If you want to go torture yourself again go do an Afterglow weapon. Period.

[saevel]

DIAF because honeslty the 1.5 year I put into my relic years ago was allready enough. If you want to go torture yourself again go do an Afterglow weapon. Period.

If this is your argument, then SE should just create a NPC that you trade your relic to and it returns a fully upgraded one back without requiring any quest / items / ect.

This is not what SE is doing, and could care less if you spent 1.5 years, 2 years, 5 years or 3 months obtaining a relic. Currently implemented as-is, it's not realistic due to it pitting every relic holder against every other relic holder. Relax the fights a bit and make them drop more often would speed things up.

Or as another poster said, make the Stage 1 off DL and the Stage 2 off ADL, that would be workable.

[macross]

20 ADL is doable, but only one person at a time is stupid. My LS already gotten maybe 6-8 umbral since the announcement. 60 riftdross is alot harder to get than you think too. Sure you can spam VW all day but it's a rare ass drop, and not many people have unlimited stones to spam it. If every kill would drop at least 1 dross/cinder then sure it wouldnt be bad, but that's not the case. I hope they add more drops to higher tier VWs next patch. I don't even see many shouts to kill flan/ogre no more, and assholes buy them up and try to resell for 1.5m

[Insaniac]

60 rift??? is bungloads easier because it drops from content people actually do so the supply will be there and there are probably less 95 emps around than mythics, at least on my server. So there shouldn't be a ton of competition to keep the prices that inflated.

The relic trial is the perfect storm of garbage. The demand is highest the supply is hardest to come by and the content it comes from is the most worthless. Worthless is actually putting it nicely. Using your 1 per day dynamis run to help with ADL actually prevents you from doing your own solo run and making an easy 1-3mil. With the Zeni adjustments this trial is worse than the other 2 combined. FFS there's a good chance you walk away from an ADL run with absolutely nothing.

[DrForester]

60 rift??? is bungloads easier because it drops from content people actually do so the supply will be there and there are probably less 95 emps around than mythics, at least on my server. So there shouldn't be a ton of competition to keep the prices that inflated.

The relic trial is the perfect storm of garbage. The demand is highest the supply is hardest to come by and the content it comes from is the most worthless. Worthless is actually putting it nicely. Using your 1 per day dynamis run to help with ADL actually prevents you from doing your own solo run and making an easy 1-3mil. With the Zeni adjustments this trial is worse than the other 2 combined. FFS there's a good chance you walk away from an ADL run with absolutely nothing.

Compare to Empyrean if you want, but keep in mind Mythic holders had to go through a lot more crap just to get their weapon to begin with than simply handing in a pile of ancient currency.

[Insaniac]

I don't find that relevant at all. Saying the 99 relic trial is worse than the other 2 combined doesn't mean anything but that. I'm not saying all the trials should be equal I'm just trying to give perspective. SE said they want it to be mythics < relic < emp in order of difficulty but in reality is emp < mythics <<<< relic unless they make drastic changes to the relic trial.

[Sparthos]

With current prices it'll be 150M to get an Emp to 95 followed by another 60-120M to hit 99 at current Riftdross/cinder prices. This is reasonable SE? lol

Botulus is harder than Ig-Alima so I'd imagine prices on cinder will always outweigh dross.

[Mindi]

Botulus is harder than Ig-Alima so I'd imagine prices on cinder will always outweigh dross.

whyso? both mobs can drop either riftitem