New 99 trials

[Greatguardian]

Tbh more like we are the 100%.

Pchan is one player out of 300,000 with one friend who, combined, make up a total 0.0006% of the population.

Good news, though (maybe?). Mocchi posted on the JP forums, and my extremely uneducated translation (aka I read the numbers and translated like 2 lines) suggests that they may have adjusted to 5 ADL items, 3 PW items, and kept the 60 Emp items. Maybe.

[Nynja]

I think the empy trials are pretty ridiculous. Once people stop doing a certain NM, you have lower and lower chances as the days go by, to finish your weapon in a reasonable time/gil cost. The whole system is pretty stupid, would it have killed them to include a point system so you could exchange the points for empy upgrade items, similar to how certain magian weapons use bastion items?

Because cinder/dross obviously wont drop from VW4 mobs based on the obvious notion that plates dont drop from VW3 mobs...OWAIT THEY DO

It's not the 95 holders buying them up, it's the resellers trying to capitalize on 95 holders. I know one guy who bought 30 of them when they were 100k, now trying to sell em for 1.5m each.

And whos fault is that? The items that would have been used for emp upgrades were known since Dec 14 (iirc), the fact you let them sit in bazaar's thinking 100k is too expensive is your own dumb move.

I mean, really, you were one of the first 95 emps upgraded iirc (or was that Eijin)...you upgraded yours on Nov 10 (OMG DETECTIVE WORK!!!!), and the patch was on Sep 20, you obtained 1500 HMP's in less than two months, and NOW youre making a stink about 60 riftdross/cinders? R O F L

[MarkovChain]

Earlier others and myself pointed out that the relic trials do not directly compare to previous systems. You need an item more than once. Hence with a point system, if say 18 relic holders formed a static they would all have to attend every run perfectly to have the same chance at the 20 items required to upgrade to 99. Assuming they where able to farm and kill exactly one ADL every day, that would be 320 days of nonstop dynamis fun and excitement before all their pretty gold weapons attained almost ultimate potential. The lot order would be naturally established over 20 runs, with some unlucky people making up the bottom 10.

But wait! The BLM cannot come on a day where they are #1 in line! Suddenly, his spot is taken by the crafty WHM who takes her place in line. The next day the same routine starts over, but now the BLM is a spot behind in the queue, like a manic game of musical chairs where the chairs don't get removed for 46 weeks. The order continues to shuffle, and at 37 weeks the first 99 is finished after a friend sold their 'unwated' marrow for his 'unwanted' gil. Tired and exhausted, of course the proud owner of a level 99 Brovura would like nothing more than to help his fellow man for an additional 10 weeks, investing the amount of time normally required for school, a part time job, community service, spending time with family, or other mundane social activities. After doing the same event for 259 days, for a total of 518 hours, or 24.5 days or time spent of course they'll want nothing more than to help others with the same goal. After all the last ADL is finally fell, the group will have spent 640 hours or 26.6 days together. As a group they'll have a combined time logged of roughly 11520 hours or 480 days.

In short no, a point system might not be the best for ADL. As I hope to have illustrated, no system would be

Nope you just explained us why point systems don't work. Anger and frustration as well multiply the difficulty of the item by the number of person in the LS. The ideal system is a "your pop your drop" system where everyone farms his own popset then the whole linkshell (or group) pops all of them in their own run. If your "LS" is efficient you can do day 1= popset farming day2= kills x 6 (for instance). Assuming, like you did, that you can't kill more than one ADL in a run is pretty funny.

Empy 60 drops is not fine. It is by far the hardest trial. The drop is rare, even though you can spam it. In 60 kills of the droppers I've gotten 2 riftdross. I've shouted for days, barely able to buy any at all, as people are already done farming these 2 NM and just do not kill them much anymore.

Just as I explained a few post ago, at which point to which I was answered that I was wrong and voidwatch gear didn't suck. Yes it sucks and that's one reason you don't find riftcinder in bazars. The second reason is that the riftcinder market is 10 persons per server pretty much.. Metal plate NMs are still spammed though cos yeah nubs like trying their luck I guess.

[FrankReynolds]

Nope you just explained us why point systems don't work. Anger and frustration as well multiply the difficulty of the item by the number of person in the LS. The ideal system is a "your pop your drop" system where everyone farms his own popset then the whole linkshell (or group) pops all of them in their own run. If your "LS" is efficient you can do day 1= popset farming day2= kills x 6 (for instance). Assuming, like you did, that you can't kill more than one ADL in a run is pretty funny.

Somehow I feel like you are talking about a different NM from everyone else.

[Nynja]

pchan's posting again without proof of a 6 manned ADL or a duoed ADL popset? Why oh why am I just not surprised

[Tamoa]

Nope you just explained us why point systems don't work. Anger and frustration as well multiply the difficulty of the item by the number of person in the LS. The ideal system is a "your pop your drop" system where everyone farms his own popset then the whole linkshell (or group) pops all of them in their own run. If your "LS" is efficient you can do day 1= popset farming day2= kills x 6 (for instance). Assuming, like you did, that you can't kill more than one ADL in a run is pretty funny.

And even if that worked, how does that help the fact that every damn relic owner in your group/ls needs 5 items? You're still stuck in Dynamis-Xarcabard for God knows how long to finish them all.

[Nynja]

You'd think someone who can make "16 mil every day in dynamis" (your words not mine) would be swimming in gil (16 mil per day is 480 mil a month...), could take one day off and actually provide some tangible proof of "hey, see, these NM's are duoable like I said, you really do all suck"...but....no...that wouldnt be pchan.

[MarkovChain]

Because I can count ? If you manage to keep the frequency of 6 pops on day 1 => 6 kills on day 2, everyone would get 1 drop per 2 days so 40 days for 6 level 99 relics. Of course if you purposely choose to enslave yourself to a point system you are going nowhere. Seeing how easy having a level 95 relic is (compared to empy for instance) I'm sure finding those people is not too hard. If not then there will propably be a few going to farm it and sell it at bazar. I think that's how SE is intending the system to work. In one of my previous posts I've explained that at 22M / umbral marrow it's possible to find buyers if those are ready to go through the same pain as the level 95 empy trials. I'm sure plenty of people are ready to sell drops for 10-20M especially if they alternate popset farming / poping ALD. For instance with a linkshell of 12 (6 main / 6 mules) you could farm 6 popsets on day one and 6 ADl in day 2, therefore doing ~10M in two days per person at least and up to 20M if they sell for that price.

PS : I can tell you that If I find a 10M umbral marrow in a bazar I buy it without even thinking twice.

[Tamoa]

Uh, yeaok, whatever. I'm with FrankReynolds here, it certainly does sound like you're talking about a different nm than everybody else.

Once the trial hits the live servers, please do provide us all with proof of how you got your 99 Spharai trial done by doing what you have described in this thread. Simply put - POIDH. If you can't, then gtfo.

[Nynja]

He cant without brew...I'm pretty sure ADL is significantly harder than Dragua.