New 99 trials

[Runespider]

If they added VW final tier mobs that are DL and PW clones it could work I guess.. lol

[Dreamin]

On the bright side, we now know that SE isn't trolling any one job or event but they're trolling everyone.

At least it's BALANCED now. Everyone gets trolled on.

[Zerich]

i'm sure this is in retaliation to certain players getting a lot of attention for saying the game was "too-easy" with [A]

you can thank them <3

[Tamoa]

Seen 2 different bazaars selling Umbral Marrow, both for 30 mil. Worst thing is, I'm certain there are players out there that will buy them at that price.

[Chikamatsu]

Ok so assume every person on Bismarck that has a relic weapon wants to upgrade it to 99. Then assume that each person had 17 other people that would help them everyday. They each pop ADL at 15 minute intervals. All poped drop one item. Ok so it would take the 240 relic weapon holders a total of 3,600 minutes to all pop one and get one item. It would take them 72,000 minutes to pop them all and everyone have 20 items. 72,000 minutes is equal to 1,200 hours or 50 days. Now this is saying they each went in and no one was already there. They were able to walk right in kill ADL and leave. And that they did this every time they were able to enter on their alloted 15 minute time period. This is why it needs to be changed to kills rather than items. Because realistically its going to take an average person 8 months to finish this one trial.

[Insaniac]

It shouldn't be kills either. These trials shouldn't involve ADL or PW at all. Think about 6 months from now when people are finishing new relics and everyone else in their LS is done. Those people are largely fucked.

[Zirael]

[...] This is why it needs to be changed to kills rather than items. Because realistically its going to take an average person 8 months to finish this one trial.

I consider myself an average person, and I can tell you right now I won't ever be able to get in and kill ADL 20 times for my item. I'm not in HNMLS and doubt would join one again to slave out DKP points for 2+ years for my turn at upgrade. Of people I'm acquainted with, that are competent relic holder you could maybe make a 12-man alliance, but they are all in different LSs etc. The rest is either blisted for NM dramas or I've never spoken to. There are maybe 5-6 NA+JP LSs on my server that could consistently fill in 18-man alliance to farm ADL on daily basis, but they are the Dragon's Aery elite. They will cater only to themselves and looking at this trial conditions, no one should be surprised. One VW run I was in, a leader of such group was openly talking that they hate inviting outsiders for Botulus/Ig-alima to hand out free clears to noobs. Also, he was telling all outsiders, they would be kicked from party if not playing properly.
LS capable of killing ADL/PW will never bazaar out items. Low-manning this trial is impossible, getting pop set and making PUG group is impossible (no one will join for free and even if they do join for some reason, good luck coordinating everything perfectly for the zerg with inexperienced people.)

Empyrean trial is by far the easiest and actually achievable, people do Ig-Alima/Botulus every day and you can repeat this fight to your heart's content and people will gladly join because everyone has a shot at treasure pool from box.
If zeni plates are changed to 1000 points per plate, I can see PW trial getting achievable too before your grandchildren grow up, albeit you can't low-man/PUG this fight either because there are no rewards for participation to 17 other people.

[...] this is considered to be the weapon’s complete form and is also the one the developers expect most players can achieve. They don’t want to dangle a carrot in front of everyone saying, “you can make these weapons even more powerful!” and then make it so only small fraction of players achieve this.

Yeah, right... if I quit my job, family and friends, maybe.

[Zumi]

The Relic/Mythic 99 trails are a huge slap in the face to the remaining FFXI players with these weapons. Relics especially.

Here is the problem most people do not have a big linkshell but rather a small group of friends that still play FFXI.

You can pug people easy for stuff like VW and the Empyrean weapons since everyone is getting something out of it and people are use to joining pick up groups for VW. Also you can just buy the Empyrean items because a random person who not upgrading them will want to sell them. I seen a lot of these selling for 300k.

Nobody is going to farm ADL because the alliance all agreed they want gil from selling his drop.

But there is no way you can pug a bunch of people to kill ADL, you won't getting people willing to waste their dynamis lockout helping you, when they could be making 1.5m solo getting currency.

These trails are no way attainable by most people except the Empyrean one, just based on how the game works now which has been much smaller groups.

It would be a lot more reasonable if the Relic/Mythic trails were changed from drops to kills. That way I can shout for people with relics team up with them all get our trails done. Its a logistical nightmare in FFXI now to kill a NM 20 time for 1 person that requires almost a full alliance and 20 days of work. Then doing it all over again for whoever else in the alliance needs the drops.

This may just be the straw that broke the camels back, if this goes live I probably won't be playing this game any longer.

To SE you really need to start listening to your player base instead of flat out ignoring them.

[Dew]

I don't think people understand that items or kills, nether relic or mythic stage 1 should be Arch DL or PW. Those should stay as stage 2 only. Stage 1 in relics case should be DL. In Mythics case something aside from PW. Most people won't even be able to kill Arch DL 20 times per weapon/shield/horn. Changing it from items to kills still doesn't change the fact that most won't get this trial done if it is still Arch DL. So don't kid yourselves if you think 20 Arch DL kills is obtainable by most.

[Damane]

I don't think people understand that items or kills, nether relic or mythic stage 1 should be Arch DL or PW. Those should stay as stage 2 only. Stage 1 in relics case should be DL. In Mythics case something aside from PW. Most people won't even be able to kill Arch DL 20 times per weapon/shield/horn. Changing it from items to kills still doesn't change the fact that most won't get this trial done if it is still Arch DL. So don't kid yourselves if you think 20 Arch DL kills is obtainable by most.

The fucking trial should just be lowmanable period.
I would rather go through 10000 metatron killshots to normal mobs solo again (pre nerf trials) then molest my shellmembers with these fucking trials.