SMN adjustments....seriously?

[Alhanelem]

I'm thinking a pet: MAB staff would disagree.

that pet MAB staff does a farkton more to avatars using merit pacts than it does to spirits with what seems like 0 INT and no base MAB casting Element IV.

It doesn't matter if you add 50 damage to a tier IV nuke or 50 damage to a merit pact. The latter is far better regardless.

If you are a serious SMN you have the Magian avatar perpetuation staves to at least level 90

If you are a serious SMN, you don't need these. I have a staff with zero perp - and zero refresh on, and perpetuation cost is still compeltely inconsequential. I do not have and will not ever have those staves, because I don't need them. They don't make my avatars stronger, they don't make my spirits stronger, and my MP is virtually unlimited as it is. the best summoner gear out there gives you both perp - and other beneficial effects. Any good summoner should have free/minimal cost avatars with just the gear they're going to use anyway, before they even equip a weapon.

However, the underlying point you're making I totally agree with. For any real SMN, these merits should be unnecessary, even if you really want to use spirits that badly. But most don't, because [SIZE=7]The spirits themselves Are what's so bloody terrible! NO one gives a damn about their perpetuation cost, they have too many other failings.[/SIZE]

[Dallas]

I totally agree. The pet still needs fixing.

[Camate]

Greetings.

I would like to share a bit of information about our process for all adjustments, not just adjustments for summoner. Regarding the information we reveal about proposed changes and changes to the test server, we are only revealing specs that have become possible to implement, in the order that they have become possible. This means that the changes we announce are not the only changes that we have in mind. Please keep in mind that it is very possible that we are looking into changes that we are not yet at a point where we can announce them.

There are many adjustments that we must look into patiently and there are many adjustments that need a long time to implement. As a result, there may be times where we are not able to reveal everything that is taking place, but this does not mean that nothing is being worked on. We are constantly evaluating new adjustments.

[Karbuncle]

Still, This will remain the most useless merits we can merit unless somehow they allow us to have Both Avatars and Elementals out at the same time >_>

Its nice to know they may be working on something else though. Probably in the process of readjusting Atomos' Size for the next 4 years :P

(Anybody waiting for Alexander/Odin would get that joke)

[Alhanelem]

I think most of us realize that this little merit change isn't the only thing in the pipeline for Summoner- What I'm trying to say personally, is changing this doesn't really do much of anything. It doesn't even make the merit itself more worthwhile, because you don't even need to offset the spirit's perpetuation cost by 15. I suppose the mentality might be that people might put one or possibly 2 points in it since the effect is stronger, but most people aren't even going to look at it unless spirits themselves are changed in some way.

Personally, I think revamping spirits is a wasted effort since the avatars are what summoner is really about, but I do recognize that some people have an infatuation with them for some reason and it shouldn't be ignored entirely.

[SpankWustler]

Thanks for coming out and saying that, Camate. It's nice to hear that out-loud, even if it's already assumed to be the case. Optimistically, this might be a sign the Development Bros are messing with various aspects of spirits. More realistically, at least all the talk about adjusting merits lately means that the merit re-vamp is on it's way.

Still, it's just hard to resist complaining sometimes.

Its nice to know they may be working on something else though. Probably in the process of readjusting Atomos' Size for the next 4 years :P

(Anybody waiting for Alexander/Odin would get that joke)

I can hear the creative process now:

"It looks too much like a butt now...People can't summon a giant butt." "I'll work on that that." "Now it doesn't look enough like a butt." "I'll fix that." "This version looks more like the front, I think." "Sorry, I was lonely."

Three years pass.

"Ah, it looks exactly 47.92% butt-like now! The ideal has been achieved! Time to add this guy to the test server!"

[Ophannus]

Making Elementals useful is like making Tier 2 Elemental Magic useful. Leave elements where they are

[Sargent]

The reason SE released this info now (coinciding with the SCH/Spirit adjustments) is because it is a simple adjustment to make.
That said, it's still a useless adjustment to a useless merit. Why you would merit anything regarding Elementals is beyond me.

[DrForester]

AMAZING!. This will save me 2-6 MP for the 2-3 ticks I have a element out for Siphon.*

THANK YOU SQUENIX!


* You know... If I was silly enough to put merits into spirits.

[Xaven]

wow merit mp for elements. Who even uses them anyways, I have them all but i only use them for Elemental Siphon. If anything update our Elemental so they have the lvl 99 spells then that would be a nice reason to use our spirits or give us BP with them something useful them this "The Elemental MP Cost merit point enhancement will reduce MP cost by three points per level instead of one"