SMN adjustments....seriously?

[Dallas]

This guy apparently plays SMN once a month for a single fight. I have always believed that "sitting around scratching themselves" is the reason SMN got such a bad rep. Neisan has had the itch for a decade.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Well, show me where Smn would be brought around for fights that don't ask for either EA/PD, or hateless damage, because that's what Smn excels in.

Old content? Don't need Smn except for EA/PD.
Abyssea? Nope.
VW? Procs/EA.
Dynamis? Nope (bar ADL fight for PD)
Both Nyzuls? Nope.
WoE? Yes (event is pretty much dead on my server, that should tell you something).

I leave anything out?

[Dallas]

You excel at one BP/release and one 2hr/release? You are someone's mule. You have to be, because you can't possibly wasted 5 years of your life calling yourself a SMN. The only thing you "excel in" requires neither gear nor actually sitting in front of the computer.

3 line macro: 2hr > wait > Alexander
5 line macro: Titan > wait > EA > wait > release

What you do, even when it matters, still doesn't matter. Learn the role of a hybrid job.

[Babekeke]

Well, show me where Smn would be brought around for fights that don't ask for either EA/PD, or hateless damage, because that's what Smn excels in.

You excel at one BP/release and one 2hr/release?

Way to read a post...

[Starry]

I laughed my ass off when i saw this. Sounds like smn is such a last rate job at this point(in terms of Dev attention that is), that you use it for a hand full of fights and then throw in the back of a trunk somewhere.

No offense Neisan i just thought it was hella funny.

Umm...that's pretty much every job though. Think SMN is in a bad place right now, what about PLD? Or even thief for that matter(thanks proc system / abyssea / vw). Or PUP - when did pup ever get a chance to be 'wanted'. Be happy SMN has /some/ use - unlike quite a few other classes.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You excel at one BP/release and one 2hr/release? You are someone's mule. You have to be, because you can't possibly wasted 5 years of your life calling yourself a SMN. The only thing you "excel in" requires neither gear nor actually sitting in front of the computer.

3 line macro: 2hr > wait > Alexander
5 line macro: Titan > wait > EA > wait > release

What you do, even when it matters, still doesn't matter. Learn the role of a hybrid job.

If you were using Smn for anything else, you were probably better off on another job.
If you want to call a job a hybrid, you're looking for Blu or Dnc.
If you were using Smn in a support role and not using either EA/PD, you might as well be on Brd or Cor.

[Mahoro]

If you were using Smn for anything else, you were probably better off on another job.
If you want to call a job a hybrid, you're looking for Blu or Dnc.
If you were using Smn in a support role and not using either EA/PD, you might as well be on Brd or Cor.

Assuming those SMN have BRD or COR.

Buffs aren't all PD/EA too, not sure how you play SMN. 6 minute Hastega and a potent ATT down, EVA down for fights like VW Beetle, and an extra Stun arent useless.

Anyway three of the six events you listed above give a role to SMN, and you can add Legion to that list so its 4/7. The job certainly needs improvements but it is certainly in no more dire a situation than PLD, THF, PUP etc.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Any mage and even brd/rdm can toss out haste, MP savings isn't an issue. If it was, Rdm wouldn't be in the state is was now (ignoring enfeebling being useless).

If you need attack down to keep your dds alive I don't know what to say.

People aren't clamoring to invite Smn for a single extra stun.

[Mahoro]

Any mage and even brd/rdm can toss out haste, MP savings isn't an issue. If it was, Rdm wouldn't be in the state is was now (ignoring enfeebling being useless).

If you need attack down to keep your dds alive I don't know what to say.

People aren't clamoring to invite Smn for a single extra stun.

Where did i say Hastega, Attack down, or a
single extra Stun was indispensable or needed to keep DD alive? I was listing ways in which SMN is useful beyond situations where they are brought for procs, PD/EA or hateless damage anyway. If you (and by this I mean the global you) want to sit around with your thumb up your ass after popping one of the unique SMN moves, that is your prerogative. However, it won't endear anyone to you and probably contributes further to the job's stigma.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Then why else would you bring Smn? are you saying the people who leveled smn only have that as their one job then? I'm not saying that is all a smn can do, but when you compare it to other support jobs or hybrids Smn does not bring enough to the table to warrant it a slot in most events.

But yes I do agree at least Smn isn't in such a bad position it doesn't have a role at all outside of VW, which is the sitaution pup etc. are in.