SMN adjustments....seriously?

[Babekeke]

I still wouldn't merit it either way.

5/5 Attack and Magic Attack :|

Seconded.

Faster summoning cast time would increase our DoT very marginally as the avatar would get maybe an extra swing on the mob. In those 'oh sh1t' moments when you get agro/your avatar gets 1-shotted or whatever and you're too close to cast an avatar, you cast a spirit because they have low cast time.

[Tawnee]

How about scrapping this idea, and put more effort into getting us Cait Sith and Atomos quicker

[Saiken253]

how about scrapping those jokes for summons and give us something good!

[Alhanelem]

I have another suggestion for SMN as well that hasn't been addressed: Have us commanding our pets to Assault NOT break Invisible.

Sic really should break invisible, because all offensive actions on an enemy, not just assault but any blood pact, strip invisible.

SMN would be drastically more powerful if it could attack and do damage without breaking invisible. I didn't even know BSTs could use offensive Sics, but it seems to me like that should be changed (Sorry!). No other job can attack while invisible, so I don't see how that's fair.

[Babekeke]

Light Spirit is actually the only spirit that has been kept even remotely up-to-date, with Banish IV and Holy II since 75.

[hideka]

for all that is holy YES. minus one second per merit. instant cast avatars yes prz.

[Malamasala]

MAB and ATTK merits is a must for any summoner worth their salt.

ATK doesn't help BP:Rages. It has been tested and confirmed ages ago. I never understand why people insist on boosting their pet melee attack rounds, because that is all it does.

Unless SE sometime the last year noticed they had a bug in their Summoner code and changed it. I haven't kept as much track of the facts during 2011 as before that.

[Dekusuta]

ATK doesn't help BP:Rages. It has been tested and confirmed ages ago. I never understand why people insist on boosting their pet melee attack rounds, because that is all it does.

Unless SE sometime the last year noticed they had a bug in their Summoner code and changed it. I haven't kept as much track of the facts during 2011 as before that.

Where are the test results?

[Sargent]

Where are the test results?

This I want to see. The only testing I've seen relating to Avatar attack concluded that gear did not enhance melee attack rounds in any way, only Blood Pacts. Eyeballing it myself, there is no increase in melee damage when you stack Attack gear, but Blood Pact damage goes up.

[Malamasala]

Where are the test results?

Had to go back in time and look around a bit.

http://kegsay.livejournal.com/#item5510

The implications of these 13 results are startling. Avatars have a ton of attack. But that's not all. This puts into perspective several augments. Pet:Attack+5 only adds ~1% to your attack, a hardly worthy amount. Furthermore, Attack+15 is just 3%. Do not this excludes 'Enhances Avatar Attack' gear, since this only works on Blood Pacts and needs more testing to quantify. Also, this means that you needn't worry about capping attack on harder level monsters, with caps of 3+, you'd need 999+ attack (most likely not possible due to caps on attack value?) to cap on any monster with over 333 DEF. This also means the merits in Avatar Physical Attack are completely and utterly worthless. With 5 merits you'd have Attack+10, equivalent to 2% increase in attack. This also means that DEF is very important for ratio.

As we see I remembered it slightly wrong. No melee attack effects, and extremely little effects on pacts. Probably just my brain that translated it into no effect since it was so trivially small.

If you wish to increase your damage with avatars, it's far better to lower the monster's defence than it is to raise your avatar's attack.