SMN adjustments....seriously?

[leorez]

^ im sure you and one other guy will be pleased.

but seriously...where is the real SMn update?

[Dallas]

^ im sure you and one other guy will be pleased.

but seriously...where is the real SMn update?

If you really believe SE will update the cost without updating the power of these pets then I have news for you...

You are probably right.

[Rezeak]

Same as above

i have 5/5 elemental mp cost

why? pretty much to be able to have light ele out for buffs/cures

[Alhanelem]

The MP cost isn't why spirits are terrible. it's everything about them combined. low HP, terrible stats, no control over them, casts spells you dont want them to cast,

About the only thing making spirits cheaper does is increase the net MP return on siphon slightly.

[Dallas]

The MP cost isn't why spirits are terrible. it's everything about them combined. low HP, terrible stats, no control over them, casts spells you dont want them to cast,

About the only thing making spirits cheaper does is increase the net MP return on siphon slightly.

I'm thinking a pet: MAB staff would disagree.

[Alhanelem]

I'm thinking a pet: MAB staff would disagree.

that pet MAB staff does a farkton more to avatars using merit pacts than it does to spirits with what seems like 0 INT and no base MAB casting Element IV.

It doesn't matter if you add 50 damage to a tier IV nuke or 50 damage to a merit pact. The latter is far better regardless.

If you are a serious SMN you have the Magian avatar perpetuation staves to at least level 90

If you are a serious SMN, you don't need these. I have a staff with zero perp - and zero refresh on, and perpetuation cost is still compeltely inconsequential. I do not have and will not ever have those staves, because I don't need them. They don't make my avatars stronger, they don't make my spirits stronger, and my MP is virtually unlimited as it is. the best summoner gear out there gives you both perp - and other beneficial effects. Any good summoner should have free/minimal cost avatars with just the gear they're going to use anyway, before they even equip a weapon.

However, the underlying point you're making I totally agree with. For any real SMN, these merits should be unnecessary, even if you really want to use spirits that badly. But most don't, because [SIZE=7]The spirits themselves Are what's so bloody terrible! NO one gives a damn about their perpetuation cost, they have too many other failings.[/SIZE]

[leorez]

The MP cost isn't why spirits are terrible. it's everything about them combined. low HP, terrible stats, no control over them, casts spells you dont want them to cast,

About the only thing making spirits cheaper does is increase the net MP return on siphon slightly.

pretty much, the lack of control being the major throw away here. Its like they want people to use them, but they refuse to fix them.

[Zubis]

http://www.playonline.com/ff11eu/gui...nsus/10/3.html

As previously stated 3-4% of Summoners actually use this option according to the last census.

So what, basically one Summoner per server will get a use out of this?

[Alerith]

I was pissed about the Paladin update.

Then I saw the Summoner update.

I'm still pissed about the Paladin update, but I feel a deep sorrow for Summoner's everywhere.

And I'm not a summoner....

[Razushu]

It's starting to feel like SE is going out of their way to keep SMN in the back of the pack. They could have announced they were changing just about anything else of SMN and got a better reaction(because you know ANYTHING would have been more useful).

SE is starting to read as "Screwing Evokers" rather than Square Enix when I see it now.