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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Economizer View Post
    That's still the two hour for Dragoon mobs. (You didn't specify.)
    Only because they were too lazy to rebalance those monsters for the new 2 hour, most likely.

    It could actually be a 20 minute ability on them and we just don't notice.

    Well Ur Kinda Right. No 1 can obtain nor mobs can cast Utsusemi: San. However it was not DELETED it still exists within the dat files. Don't Post unless U Know FULLY what u are talking about.
    Well Im Fully RIGHT. No 1 Kan 0btain nor mobs can cast Utsusemi: San. It was DELETED and is no longer anyWhere within the GAME. You can No Longer /Recast for it like you were Able TO when it St1ll 3xisted. Don't Post Insults Toward Others Unless U Know FULLY what U are talking about. (And actually, you shouldn't do it even if you do....)

    Obnoxious grammar and caps FTL...

    Oh, and that stuff listed under "really old stuff" in POL Utils doesn't count, that lists many spells that are in the game and some that aren't, but none of that data is used, even for the spells that do exist. It's just old text data (not complete data needed to make a spell or ability work) left behind when the game was released. I can assure you, that the player version of Meteor isn't going to cost 1 MP to cast like it is in that old text file.
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    Last edited by Alhanelem; 01-24-2012 at 04:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    Only because they were too lazy to rebalance those monsters for the new 2 hour, most likely.

    It could actually be a 20 minute ability on them and we just don't notice.

    Well Im Fully RIGHT. No 1 Kan 0btain nor mobs can cast Utsusemi: San. It was DELETED and is no longer anyWhere within the GAME. You can No Longer /Recast for it like you were Able TO when it St1ll 3xisted. Don't Post Insults Toward Others Unless U Know FULLY what U are talking about. (And actually, you shouldn't do it even if you do....)

    Obnoxious grammar and caps FTL...

    Oh, and that stuff listed under "really old stuff" in POL Utils doesn't count, that lists many spells that are in the game and some that aren't, but none of that data is used, even for the spells that do exist. It's just old text data (not complete data needed to make a spell or ability work) left behind when the game was released. I can assure you, that the player version of Meteor isn't going to cost 1 MP to cast like it is in that old text file.
    Nope U Failed Again u are NOT FULLY RIGHT. If Ur a good little boy u would check ur dat files. SE is still thinking about adding Utsusemi: San thats y its still in the dat files. AGAIN don't post a dumb reply unless u know what u are talking about!!!
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    Player Economizer's Avatar
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    Not to support the arguments that Utsusemi: San exists still, but:

    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    You can No Longer /Recast for it like you were Able TO when it St1ll 3xisted.
    I had kinda forgot /recast existed a tiny bit so I played with it a bit. Try it, /recast "Utsusemi: San" still works (along with a few of the Ni versions of certain spells players can't get, and higher tiers of Diaga among other things). Meteor doesn't however.
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    I really dont want to drag this into some kind of stupid debate.

    My point. break/breakga etc won't be removed.
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    You mean Break/Breakga is... ... Broken?
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    Player Seiowan's Avatar
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    Yeah, I was horribly disappointed with Break to be honest. Actually, I was disappointed of it for two reasons. Firstly, I dislike that you cannot apply Break to stunned opponents. They're two different ailments, and they should stack. This would allow players to cast Break after stunning their opponent to give them an opening.

    Secondly, as the OP mentioned, it's removed the instant they take further damage making it categorically different to every other mob-inflicted Break status in the game. It's only a short 30-sec duration spell, so it should at very least stick out it's full duration regardless of what damage you inflict. Otherwise, why bother casting it at all? Might as well use Sleep for all the good it will do.
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    It's an earth-based sleep, get over it already. It's not like it works on anything but fodder mobs anyway.
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    In all honestly, they should modify Break to actually land on NM's. It's currently only useful on weak mobs that you'd just sleep / fight anyway.

    Make it similar to stun, it halts the NM's actions for a period of a few seconds.
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    Player Zarchery's Avatar
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    Break and Breakga are working just fine. You're just not using them right.

    Unlike Sleep/Sleepga, it will stick to undead and other mobs immune to Darkness based sleep. This means that if you get aggro from undead and you don't have a BRD, WHM, or BLU, you can actually sleep it and get away.

    Break/Breakga prevent mobs from doing anything, including spellcasting, so it's not like Bind.

    They also have a separate recast timer so you can use them when Sleep/Sleepga are not ready.

    They also overlap with Sleep/Sleepga, so you can petrify AND sleep a mob at the same time.

    Yeah the mobs become active once you start attacking, but so what? Mobs also have triple our HP, harsher TP moves, can Mijin Gakure without dying, and use 2 hour abilities repeatedly. There's always been an imbalance between what we can do and what they can do.
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    Player Zarchery's Avatar
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    Why would you want SE to delete a spell or job ability? If it's that repugnant to you, just don't use it.
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