[dev 1065] Relic Adjustament

[Alerith]

Ochian block rate is 99%, Aegis block rate is 50%, and a shield type like koeing is 35%.
If Aegis block rate will be increment to 60-75% and lowering the damage blocket to 65-50% this make Aegis a shield capable of tanking good the Physical boss (not like the Ochian), because a lot of time in VW the leader prefer Ochain than Aegis...

Why would you make Aegis more capable of tanking physical things? That's not it's purpose. It's already a very good physical shield compared to the non-Relic/Empyrean and it fills a perfect role as a magic damage mitigation shield.

You're asking for a relic to be adjusted because it doesn't fulfill a role as well as an empyrean does, when by comparison, the Empyrean doesn't fulfill a certain role (magic damage mitigation) as well when compared to Aegis.

Should we give Ochain the -MDT so we make it a good shield capable against magic casting mobs?

No.

[Runespider]

Ochain is the best melee defence shield, Aegis is the best magic defence shield. If you're serious about pld make both but keep in mind that there is nothing in the game that needs a pld anyway right now.

You can make both shields within 3-4 months, I don't see any point about whining about one being better than the other in certain situations.

[Vash72]

Why would you make Aegis more capable of tanking physical things? That's not it's purpose. It's already a very good physical shield compared to the non-Relic/Empyrean and it fills a perfect role as a magic damage mitigation shield.

You're asking for a relic to be adjusted because it doesn't fulfill a role as well as an empyrean does, when by comparison, the Empyrean doesn't fulfill a certain role (magic damage mitigation) as well when compared to Aegis.

Should we give Ochain the -MDT so we make it a good shield capable against magic casting mobs?

No.

For me yes, it can be, becuse if u have a relic/empy shield you must have a shield that are the best in the game,good for all fight!(one perfect for magical and good for physical , and the other good for magical and perfect for physical)

When i made my aegis,i took 1 a year and 300m, and now the pld are a shit and the shield are usable only for certain boss... this is ridiculous.

[Alerith]

For me yes, it can be, becuse if u have a relic/empy shield you must have a shield that are the best in the game,good for all fight!(one perfect for magical and good for physical , and the other good for magical and perfect for physical)

When i made my aegis,i took 1 a year and 300m, and now the pld are a shit and the shield are usable only for certain boss... this is ridiculous.

You aren't using your shield right and you aren't playing PLD properly if this is truly the case.

[Taint2]

When i made my aegis,i took 1 a year and 300m, and now the pld are a shit and are useless... this is ridiculous.

ftfy

this QQ energy could be used to fix the problem of never needing a PLD instead of which shield is better

[Atomic_Skull]

99 Amano would beat it if people did kaiten and fudo at 100 tp but as sam is overflowing with tp it favours massa by a lot then you have sams job ability which just favour fudo more and in voidwatch people have 300 tp thanks to temp items again this favours massa.

99 Bravua spamming metatron is not going to touch ukon nerf or no nerf lets not kid ourselves here, upheavel is decent but again it's not coming close to ukkos fury.

I can't comment on Mandau, ive got not idea what that weapon has been like since 75.

It's similar to SAM. THF has over 200% TP by the time SA or TA cools off and can drop a 4.25-5.25 fTP Rudras while Mercy Stroke is always stuck at 3.0 fTP +25% WS damage. Also Rudras has greater synergy with Sneak Attack because it's DEX based.

For me yes, it can be, becuse if u have a relic/empy shield you must have a shield that are the best in the game,good for all fight!(one perfect for magical and good for physical , and the other good for magical and perfect for physical)

When i made my aegis,i took 1 a year and 300m, and now the pld are a shit and the shield are usable only for certain boss... this is ridiculous.

The real answer is to give Aegis +40 ATT +30 ACC and +25% WS damage.

[Nynja]

I think Atomic's butthurt he made a Trashtar instead of a Mandau, because thats like 5 posts in one day going on how MS is garbage compared to RS.

[Atomic_Skull]

I think Atomic's butthurt he made a Trashtar instead of a Mandau, because thats like 5 posts in one day going on how MS is garbage compared to RS.

Your post makes no sense because I've been arguing for the past year that relics should be stronger than emps.

It's more like I'm butthurt that I spent 3 years upgrading Mandau only to have it eclipsed by a dagger you can obtain in less than a month.

[Alerith]

Your post makes no sense because I've been arguing for the past year that relics should be stronger than emps.

It's more like I'm butthurt that I spent 3 years upgrading Mandau only to have it eclipsed by a dagger you can obtain in less than a month.

Twash is better than Mandau? Since when?

[Nynja]

back at 85 cap...