Practical Soultions to Issues with RDM.

[Luvbunny]

I think the main problem with RDM as a job is that SE has no idea on what this job should be.

1. If Rdm should be master of enfeebler - this position is easily covered by many other mage jobs. As other posters have mentioned, WHM, SCH, and BLM can cast most of the spells that RDM can and do a good job at it.
2. If Rdm should be master of enhancing - WHM and SCH can do just as good, have access to better spells, and get a lot of AOE spells more so than RDM. Composure only works on RDM self casted spells...which negate the whole point about being a master of enhancing - that only benefits the said RDM but not to the party.
3. If Rdm should be a melee mage - sadly this position is already covered by Blue Mage with far far better spells, some party buffs AOE spells, and much better damage output.
4. If Rdm should be the jack of all trades - well I think SCH pretty much kill this with a rdm set as support job, plus SCH can cure and nuke better than Rdm.
5. If Rdm should be a support job - uhmm hello there, most of RDM spells are SELF casted only and for some spells you cannot even use accession to help the party, plus SCH makes a better support job that complement WHM better than RDM can ever hope. Why would you make a job as support when most of their spells are self target and do not benefit your party members. The day of Refresh and Haste monkey is over - it's time for SE to take a long hard look at this job.

So what is RDM suppose to be? Why SE is taking so long at actually do some tweaking on this job (and Summoner)???? Please stop giving all the good stuffs to Samurai... or White Mage...

[Mageoholic]

I think the main problem with RDM as a job is that SE has no idea on what this job should be.

This is exactly the problem, and it stems in large part from the RDM community. Large in part to the fact that melee conversation eventually takes over every thread and delves into a no you can't yes I can pissing contest. (I am quite surprised this thread has managed to survive this long tbh) Our community lacks the ability to present a clear focus to the issues surrounding this job.

The issue I personally have and I think other RDM's should have is trying to ask for boosts in areas that are already clogged with jobs, namely melee and nuking. (SE has already stated that they are adjusting healing as a whole which while it does buff WHM, it will also give SCH and RDM that boost they need, if they do it properly).

This leaves Enfeebling and Enhancing, which really go hand in hand with each other, however both systems are broken currently. Enfeebling in general, and Enhancing with SE restricting our ability to buff.

This is why I made this thread because it is in my opinion the only place where RDM can truly be balanced in party play, and most importantly attain a party slot. By adjusting Enhancing and Enfeebling as suggested in the original post it puts RDM on a pedestal over WHM and BLM, (who are also on their own pedestals) and indirectly buffs SCH to move above these jobs in this regard as well. It also puts RDM on a pedestal over SCH, who in turn is better at healing and nuking.

Considering all of out abilities stack with other support it does not step on the toes of your COR's BRD's or DNC'
s, and to an extent SMN's (who have their own issues.)

As a community we have to get behind one solid idea and keep blasting SE with it, I have little faith in that occurring, and I am not saying my Idea is the one to go with. I just feel it is the best opportunity to see us wanted for group play again, because I am 99% sure we won't get that slot with better melee, nuking, or healing, and if we do get buffed to that point, you can bet your ass a shit storm will be brewing in the WHM, BLM, SCH, <insert other nuking class, healing class, melee class here> forums. Which will result in a nerf, or subsequent buffs to those classes that will put us back in the same spot.

A BRD or COR or DNC won't care if we can buff/debuff because our support spells stack with theirs, the only one who might take issue with it is SMN, but this adjustment I laid out doesn't really change the impact SMN already feels for the worse, SMN is in a shitty spot already and it won't change if RDM is more capable enhancer and debuffer since SMn doesn't stack currently anyway.

But ya, we need to give SE a clear idea of what we want, I feel making us the king of support mages is what we need.