Continuing forward on the discussion.

Initial post

Follow-up

Earlier post with some of the defense values -- Translated version of that

Error confirmed


Summary:

Ig-Alima
Level 120
Attack 1059

Hypothetical Pld
Level 99
Defense 460

Black Curry Buns: +15% defense, +4 vit

Variations on defense:

With Berserk: 345
~~ floor(460 * 0.75)

With Defender: 575
~~ floor(460 * 1.25)

With Defender+BCB: 663
* Originally listed incorrectly at 630 defense
~~ floor(floor(((460 + 4/2) * 1.25) * 1.15)

With Defender+Gallant's+BCB: 821
~~ floor(floor((460 * 4/2) * (1 + (25% + 30%))) * 1.15)
~= (462 * 1.55) * 1.15
Note: this shows defense keeps no more than 8 fractional bits, and probably uses the same 7 fractional bits as spell recasts.
Final result of 462 * 1.55 must be 714; 714 can then be multiplied by 1.15 to get 821.
If 10 fractional bits: 716
If 9 fractional bits: 715
If 8 fractional bits: 714
If 7 fractional bits: 714

Food multiplier must be exact (n/100), like Fast Cast.


So from this we can see that it stacks additively with other percentile increases to defense. This is also confirmed by Kyotomi's post. I won't try for exact values in any further calculations, though.


I've not been able to find a listing of the percentage increases for all the values of the roll. The Dev1069 post only lists the old Phalanx-type numbers.


Aside: While the sample post used Black Curry Buns as food, and is useful for showing that food applies after all other buffs are calculated, there's actually not much point in using BCBs. Presumably they have a higher cap than Tav Tacos, but since you need to reach 1000 defense -before- food for them to even -match- the def from Tacos (caps at +150 defense at 600 base defense), that's less useful in general.

The effect of Gallant's Roll on defense in these examples is exaggerated due to the food used. Going from 663 to 821 gets the additional defense of Gallant's, along with the 1.15 multiplier from the food. However, as already pointed out, BCBs aren't an effective choice for total gain in defense, and you'd be better off with Tacos.

Example defenses using Tacos instead of BCBs:

Def 1: 460 (baseline)
Def 2: 575 (Defender)
Def 3: 722 (Defender+food)
Def 4: 866 (Defender+Gallant's+food)
Def 5: 345 (Berserk)

Def 4 ends up with a higher value, however the addition of Gallant's only increased the actual defense value by 144 (866-722), instead of the 158 (821-663) it added when using BCBs. Therefore there's a false inflation in the value provided by the roll.



Since Gallant's is additive with other multipliers, it's effectively only increasing a fraction of the unmodified base defense (plus any vit from food).

A fully def'd up pld should be around 580 defense before buffs (as illustration for maximal value of Gallant's Roll), and an 11 roll would thus give an extra +175 defense. Add Defender, and base before food is 900 defense, hitting 1035 def with BCBs and 1050 with Tacos.


Anyway, going back to the original data posted by Mocchi. Have to make guesses on some of the move translations, since I've not actually fought Ig-Alima myself.

Def 1: 460 (baseline)
Def 2: 575 (Defender)
Def 3: 663 (Defender+food)
Def 4: 821 (Defender+Gallant's+food)
Def 5: 345 (Berserk)

Attack 1 (Mow down; not sure which TP move this translates to)

Def 1: 645
Def 2: 614
Def 3: 563
Def 4: 504
Def 5: 645


Attack 2 (Earth Strike; Kurnugi Collapse?)

Def 1: 967
Def 2: 920
Def 3: 845
Def 4: 757
Def 5: 967


Attack 3 (Triple attack round)

Def 1: 1743
Def 2: 1659
Def 3: 1521
Def 4: 1361
Def 5: 1743


Because of the mob's high attack, you literally take no additional damage from using Berserk. The mob is already at capped attack vs a 460 def player (ratio of 2.3, which is above both the 2.0 1H cap and the 2.25 2H cap).

I can't get the values to exactly match up, but it *appears* to be approximately a 188 base damage weapon with +1.1 level correction (not the expected 1.05 for +21 levels), with nominal attack cap at 2.0 Ratio. (math not shown)

Attack 1 probably has a 25% WSC mod on some ~100 stat, and a 1.0 fTP. Attack 2 is the same but with a 1.5 fTP.


Now that we have those numbers, I'm going back and looking at the value provided by Gallant's when using Tacos instead of BCBs

Attack 1 (Mow down)

Def 1: 645
Def 2: 614
Def 3: 563 536
Def 4: 504 499
Def 5: 645

Reduction due to Gallant's while using BCBs: -59 damage
Reduction due to Gallant's while using Tacos: -37 damage


So you can see that the actual reduction in damage due to Gallant's Roll when it's not being inflated by the food chosen is significantly less than advertised.