From the examples I've been given by standing next to many DRK with Apoc, that's exactly what it is. None of them are also forthcoming with a decent, respectable explanation that isn't drowning in mathematical formulas I've already looked at. A lot of things look good on paper or in theory, but so far I've seen complete failure in practice. That is my reason for being heavily sarcastic with Apoc being the Be All End All. That doesn't mean I have a lack of respect for any GOOD DRK that can handle their weapons.

If you are as good as you say you are, you have my respect Sir.

Thank you for the discussion, btw. It's been entertaining and enjoyable.