Mission Progress: Wait until the next day (earth-time).

[Concerned4FFxi]

Because modern and truly successful games generally let people quest at their own pace. This is an archaic design mechanic that only detracts from the experience for the player. It's a crutch to extend the longevity of limited content. It's actually more absurd than using low/random drop rates on gear or quest items to serve the same purpose. Even SE sees it now obviously or they wouldn't be looking into it.

Can you honestly say that your experience is made better by having to wait between quests? Is your AF or Rajas Ring somehow more valuable because you had to wait a day to talk to an NPC or click on a door? Is low-level/mid-level gear really so important that we need lockouts to prevent it being earned too quickly?

I can understand some of the lockouts/time-restrictions on high-end or easily congested content. That isn't unreasonable to me. Outdated quests and missions or low-level gear that AT BEST is simply for macro swapping? No, don't make the gear appear magically in their delivery box or the completion appear automatically in their log, but don't make people wait 24 hours for a 1 minute battle or for a 2 minute cut-scene. As I said, that's just absurd.

Yes I can say I had no problem waiting on stuff, because it gave me a break, to go live my life or go do something else in the game. Like I said, one day is not a big deal, waiting a week on a relic weapon phase I can understand it should be reduced to 3 days tops per phase, and one day for af2 upgrades I'd sponser, but the other stuff is just bogus. Can't wait one day for your raja's ring, that's just being silly. I'd support pup upgrades being one jp midnight also. But people saying they can't wait a day to get their cop ring and what not I find that over the top. Cop gets blown thru fast now anyway, what's wrong with waiting to get your ring, it's not like your going to lose it or forget to get it. Thats' something to look forward to next log-in. You didn't have the ring before, so what's one more jp midnight gonna hurt? That's one more day that doesnt hurt, but that you enjoyed the game longer, one day longer you can play the game, it's not a week that hurts you, but a day that gently teases.

[Camiie]

Yes I can say I had no problem waiting on stuff, because it gave me a break, to go live my life or go do something else in the game.

You can do the same thing if the game ISN'T forcing you to wait.

Like I said, one day is not a big deal, waiting a week on a relic weapon phase I can understand it should be reduced to 3 days tops per phase, and one day for af2 upgrades I'd sponser, but the other stuff is just bogus. Can't wait one day for your raja's ring, that's just being silly. I'd support pup upgrades being one jp midnight also. But people saying they can't wait a day to get their cop ring and what not I find that over the top. Cop gets blown thru fast now anyway, what's wrong with waiting to get your ring, it's not like your going to lose it or forget to get it.

The waiting serves no purpose other than to make you wait. That's what's wrong with it. Saying "it's not so bad" isn't a valid justification. You need to explain how it improves the game experience. How does it add to the challenge? How does it improve the community? How does it affect job balance? How does it prevent congestion? How does it affect the economy? How does it improve the flow of the story line? How does it regulate gear acquisition? In general, what good does it do? If all waiting does is make you wait then what's the point of it?

Thats' something to look forward to next log-in.

That's what other content is for.

You didn't have the ring before, so what's one more jp midnight gonna hurt?

Again I ask, "What's it going to help?"

That's one more day that doesnt hurt, but that you enjoyed the game longer, one day longer you can play the game, it's not a week that hurts you, but a day that gently teases.

Who's to say I enjoyed the game longer? What if I was annoyed? And, if I wanted to be "gently teased" I'd be doing something else entirely, let me tell you.

[Zarchery]

You can do the same thing if the game ISN'T forcing you to wait.

The waiting serves no purpose other than to make you wait. That's what's wrong with it. Saying "it's not so bad" isn't a valid justification. You need to explain how it improves the game experience. How does it add to the challenge? How does it improve the community? How does it affect job balance? How does it prevent congestion? How does it affect the economy? How does it improve the flow of the story line? How does it regulate gear acquisition? In general, what good does it do? If all waiting does is make you wait then what's the point of it?

Who's to say I enjoyed the game longer? What if I was annoyed? And, if I wanted to be "gently teased" I'd be doing something else entirely, let me tell you.

You sure seem hung up on asking how these waits help. It's an equally valid question to ask "how do they hurt?" Some elements of the game are just neutral. Waiting a maximum of 24 hour hours to do a one time thing that you're never ever going to do again (get the ring at the end of CoP) isn't going to kill you. It might actually help you to learn to have a little patience once in a while.

How they help is irrelevant, because as was stated, they can't get rid of all of these at once; they need to phase them out gradually. The more vital question therefore is which hurt the game more, and should be given higher priority for removal.

[Concerned4FFxi]

You can do the same thing if the game ISN'T forcing you to wait.




The waiting serves no purpose other than to make you wait. That's what's wrong with it. Saying "it's not so bad" isn't a valid justification. You need to explain how it improves the game experience. How does it add to the challenge? How does it improve the community? How does it affect job balance? How does it prevent congestion? How does it affect the economy? How does it improve the flow of the story line? How does it regulate gear acquisition? In general, what good does it do? If all waiting does is make you wait then what's the point of it?




That's what other content is for.





Again I ask, "What's it going to help?"





Who's to say I enjoyed the game longer? What if I was annoyed? And, if I wanted to be "gently teased" I'd be doing something else entirely, let me tell you.

I said in my quote, so I already answered, but here it is again, I thought waiting ONE DAY for raja ring was nice. It was a gentle tease and something to look forward to. It gave me an extra day that I enjoyed the game, cause once I complete everything I want to complete, what else is there to do? Besides help others and hang with friends, so you see, that extra day of wait I enjoy, it's not a week which agrovates, it's a nice little tease and it extends the time I can enjoy the game for another day. There should be slight pauses inbetween content, just not 3 or more day waits. the same with HNM, 3-5 day waits is absurd, but nobody minds camping abyssea nm because of the fast respawn timers. It's also been said that people wouldn't mind new HNM, so long as the wait was no more than around 12 hours. Same thing, a little waiting is good for the soul, but some of the waits are unreasonably long. One day is no biggie, it's healthy.

That's just me, we seem to be at odds in opinions here and that's fine, but all i'm saying is some things I feel are ok, and some things are too long. I hope SE meets in the middle.

[wish12oz]

Soulplates need adjustment the most IMO, after that TOA missions, especially all the ones leading up to the ashu talif mission since that's whats required to do salvage and einherjar and other TOA events, and Switchstix is just annoying, I'm all for eliminating his waits.

[KigenAngelios]

At least reduce Saghera's conquest wait period on Relic+1 gear.

[SNK]

At least reduce Saghera's conquest wait period on Relic+1 gear.

Yeah I'm gonna have to get on board with this. If anything it should be reduced to 1 real life day per wait instead of a week. Finishing a full +2 armor set in 5 weeks is kinda silly.

[Kristal]

At least reduce Saghera's conquest wait period on Relic+1 gear.

Why do people keep mentioning this? The only reason to get +1 is to lower the +2 requirement from 50 to 30 forgotten items, and you need to farm dynamis all week with a sizeable group to get just 30 for a single person to upgrade. Almost every relic+1/+2 is outmatched by emp +2 armor, with the odd piece having some usefullness in uncommon situations...

[Camiie]

Why do people keep mentioning this? The only reason to get +1 is to lower the +2 requirement from 50 to 30 forgotten items, and you need to farm dynamis all week with a sizeable group to get just 30 for a single person to upgrade. Almost every relic+1/+2 is outmatched by emp +2 armor, with the odd piece having some usefullness in uncommon situations...

Well then, if the gear is so worthless then there's no need for any wait at all. Sounds good to me.

[Glamdring]

Why do people keep mentioning this? The only reason to get +1 is to lower the +2 requirement from 50 to 30 forgotten items, and you need to farm dynamis all week with a sizeable group to get just 30 for a single person to upgrade. Almost every relic+1/+2 is outmatched by emp +2 armor, with the odd piece having some usefullness in uncommon situations...

They keep mentioning it because there are a great many people wanting the gear. If you don't like the gear don't get it, but don't ride other people who DO want it. It's like the HNMLS gear from the old days, while I liked some of the gear it wasn't worth the agravation of putting up with the LS leaders to me-despite all the invites I got for it-so I simply didn't bother. I never said to get rid of the HNMs, or "poo-poo" on petitions asking for shorter spawn times, because the stuff should be made available to the entire public that wishes to do it. I hate voidwatch-too much work for too little reward in my opinion-so I choose to find other ways of getting the things i need, or alternatives to the drops, but I don't say not to fix it.