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    Player Greatguardian's Avatar
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    A full alliance of 18 people getting more in a lowman-geared level 90 event than a level 99 alliance-based event? No way.

    6Mil/Marrow is laughably cheap. Why? Because of the god damned opportunity cost. That's how these things are priced. That's why no one will sell them and no one will buy them. The opportunity cost you'd have to incur to farm ADL means that each marrow would be worth an easy 20M+, essentially costing relic holders another 100M+ (another full relic) to go from 95-99. Whether they pay that out or do the event themselves makes no difference, it's still 100M down the drain.

    Why you're somehow unable to see that and insist on arguing with everyone here is beyond me.
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    Player Mahoro's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    A full alliance of 18 people getting more in a lowman-geared level 90 event than a level 99 alliance-based event? No way.

    6Mil/Marrow is laughably cheap. Why? Because of the god damned opportunity cost. That's how these things are priced. That's why no one will sell them and no one will buy them. The opportunity cost you'd have to incur to farm ADL means that each marrow would be worth an easy 20M+, essentially costing relic holders another 100M+ (another full relic) to go from 95-99. Whether they pay that out or do the event themselves makes no difference, it's still 100M down the drain.

    Why you're somehow unable to see that and insist on arguing with everyone here is beyond me.
    I do see that. 6 million was just a number I threw out arbitrarily to say that if I could tell the relicholders to buy it, I would. But they can't, as you say, so I am trying to come up with ways to actually do SE's trial, since it is clearly not being changed now. Your point is 17 people can make 2-4 million (34-68 million) for each time they sacrifice a Dyna run. My rebuttal is that (i) not everyone wants to spend their Dyna time hardcore farming gil or being forced to do so, (ii) they are potentially rewarded in other ways, including help with Arch Bosses in other zones or DKP for other events, (iii) "opportunity cost" is ultimately subjective based on your specific activities, and (iv) boiling everything down to opportunity cost goes against the spirit of other events in the game where you endlessly waste manpower hours when you could be farming gil, or every single event ANYONE has EVER attended in the past where the group wasn't giving you gil for time.

    I could say the same things about the perpetuity of this argument.
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    Last edited by Mahoro; 02-09-2012 at 04:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahoro View Post
    I could say the same things about the perpetuity of this argument.
    I think your lawyer training is preventing you from letting this drop, maho!

    At the end of the day ppl who want to gil farm dynamis will do so, and those who don't will tag along to ADL for DKP/swords.

    Do we really want everyone farming dynamis every day? Do we really want people to make 11 mules so that you can literally farm dynamis 24 hours per day? (inb4 strawman)

    If the opportunity cost loss is too high, then maybe we should be selling marrows for 54M (18ppl x 3M lost).
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    I want to say that there's a middle ground here but this isn't really middle ground. A lot of old systems were shit. Some new systems aren't much better. What's in the middle of shit and shit? More Shit. So no, I don't want a middle ground. I want something good.
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    >Twilight Scythe is overpowered that's why we're nerfing it
    >Weapons with double damage compared to relic

    LOGIC.
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