Ugh, post got deleted... I'll try to keep it a bit shorter this time.

Quote Originally Posted by Vold View Post
20 drops from ADL is not reasonable. 5 is not reasonable. Yet some people want to think that it is. Why is that? Because it's 5 and not 20? It wasn't unreasonable because it was 20. It was unreasonable because it was ADL. If you say 5 is reasonable then 20 is reasonable. Period.
Wrong, period. 5 is four times less than 20. Sad that I even have to spell it out like that, but for big LS that means 1 year vs. 4 years. You really think there's no difference?

Quote Originally Posted by Ravenmore View Post
So you know 10 relic owners who have 17 people willing to slave away at their relics for little to no gain or are they going to pay the other 17 people.
Yes. Only what you call "slave away" I call teamwork. Linkshells, ever heard of the concept? People working together to achieve a goal they couldn't on their own. Having people with Lv99 relics benefits everyone in the LS. That is the idea. I'm sure it sounds foreign to you, because people always want immediate gains for themselves. It's called being selfish.

Quote Originally Posted by Ravenmore View Post
Yes its is to much to ask for with a 10 year old game.
What the hell does the age have to do with it at all?

Quote Originally Posted by Unctgtg View Post
Arcon do u even have a R/M/E?
Yes, and working on more, although that is completely irrelevant. If I didn't have one, you think my opinion wouldn't matter? Or you think my judgment was somehow clouded?

It's very simple, it's a matter of perspective. Most people I argue with on here come from a different mindset, a different environment. Apparently, there's not many on here who have played with people for a purpose other than personal gain. People even asking stuff like "Who would help you with it?" completely baffle me, because the answer to that question seems obvious: your friends. Plenty of times we've had to gather an entire LS for stuff only a few people needed (Ouryu runs, Bahamut runs, KS99, relic NMs, ZNMs, sea/sky), others just willingly came along to help. Personally I find it hard to understand why someone wouldn't help their LS members. Sure, it may be annoying for a while, but in the end you're helping a friend (completely disregarding the fact that effectively you're helping yourself as well).

I came to realize (this isn't the only argument of this kind I've had with people on here) that we simply come from a different environment. Other people apparently had worse experiences than myself. I find it hard to imagine, though, that that extends to the majority of the people on the game. No one I know complained about 5 ADL items, and I really can't see why one would. While there would be easier solutions, I can't in good conscience call this unreasonable.