Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Sparthos]

Who needs logistics when I have friends??

No, honestly. It's no less difficult to build an ADL than it is for a voidwatch group if you can either make appeal to their sense of greed (which is sad) or their sense of camaraderie if they've never been mistreated by said greedy bastards. It's not any different than any other large-scale content we've dealt with as players over the long years of gameplay. So seriously?? What's all the crying for? The other obvious answer to this is just not do it and we know what kinda bomb that's going to produce.

So because you have friends willing to repeat this mob for you at no gain to them (from the run itself), the trial is fine? Selfish much?

Funny you bring up large scale content because those events lacking incentive for individuals usually died instantly or were never big hits amongst the mainstream base. Yilbegan? Hydra? Fomor HNMs? Jormungand? The list is numerous of large scale content that sat idle because the drops were either complete shit or the one good drop wasn't worth fielding 18 people to obtain.

Now the game has shrunken down to mostly PUGs you really think people are going to successfully shout ADLs? Content that isn't being used seems to be what SE relishes in releasing when they come up with stuff like this. Well that or people desperate to swipe a debit card to finish the trial.

SE>> "We think most people will complete Stage 1."

Me>> "Think again."

[Geabrielle]

So because you have friends willing to repeat this mob for you at no gain to them (from the run itself), the trial is fine? Selfish much?

tl;dr ...

Or rather, that I have friends willing to do this with the confidence that their help will be reciprocated is difficult to believe. Large scale events eventually crumbled for a myriad of reasons of which selfish jerks were the greatest perpetrators. Now that individualism and multi-accounts have been bumped up into the 'ruling division' of getting things accomplished the return to a larger scale is a crimp in their stride and thus unwelcome. I'm willing to bet this is mostly because of the bridges burned from previous assholishness. Sucks to be them.

[Vold]

tl;dr ...

Or rather, that I have friends willing to do this with the confidence that their help will be reciprocated is difficult to believe. Large scale events eventually crumbled for a myriad of reasons of which selfish jerks were the greatest perpetrators. Now that individualism and multi-accounts have been bumped up into the 'ruling division' of getting things accomplished the return to a larger scale is a crimp in their stride and thus unwelcome. I'm willing to bet this is mostly because of the bridges burned from previous assholishness. Sucks to be them.

Or people with a life now because they grew up after 8 years of playing. Sucks to be them, I guess. Righto? Eff'm. Goofballs never should have stopped owning in a hardcore shell. They earned that lv75 relic but we're 99 now and according to videogame law that means they have to bust their asses off all over again to get lv99 weapons. SE should not just rightfully hand it to us like pretty much everything else that's been upgraded from 75 with augments and magian trials. Who cares about justice here. Eff'm. I want my exclusive lv99 weapon that's even more prestigious than before.

Lol. I never thought I'd see the day when relic holders would be hating on each other. SE sure knows how to play with emotions and prestige.

[Geabrielle]

Or people with a life now because they grew up after 8 years of playing. Sucks to be them, I guess. Righto? Eff'm. Goofballs never should have stopped owning in a hardcore shell. They earned that lv75 relic but we're 99 now and according to videogame law that means they have to bust their asses off all over again to get lv99 weapons. SE should not just rightfully hand it to us like pretty much everything else that's been upgraded from 75 with augments and magian trials. Who cares about justice here. Eff'm. I want my exclusive lv99 weapon that's even more prestigious than before.

Lol. I never thought I'd see the day when relic holders would be hating on each other. SE sure knows how to play with emotions and prestige.

To hell with Prestige, if I cared about it I'd be crying as hard as everybody else about the unreal requirements. I can't dual box nor can I do RMTstyle 6 account ducklings in a row to kill stuff like the majority of bitching population. I'm solely at the mercy of having to maintain relationships with actual people, with varied schedules and demands on their lives. Yes, we're grown up now and I acknowledge that and thus time to accomplish things are precious. I also accept people with limited time are more than capable of setting priorities and staging their goals accordingly.... oh wait .. I forgot, this is WoWFantasy 2012.

Never mind.

[Karbuncle]

To hell with Prestige, if I cared about it I'd be crying as hard as everybody else about the unreal requirements. I can't dual box nor can I do RMTstyle 6 account ducklings in a row to kill stuff like the majority of bitching population. I'm solely at the mercy of having to maintain relationships with actual people, with varied schedules and demands on their lives. Yes, we're grown up now and I acknowledge that and thus time to accomplish things are precious. I also accept people with limited time are more than capable of setting priorities and staging their goals accordingly.... oh wait .. I forgot, this is WoWFantasy 2012.

Never mind.

You can call it WoWFantasy as a joke, But WoW is one of the most successful and popular MMO's on the market. You know why? They actually f**king listen to their playerbase now and again, and realize not everyone who plays their game is a 14yr old shut-in with all the time in the world to do shit in their game.

Something SE Doesn't seem to realize (Not so much the 99 trials, but the "Glow" Trials).

FFXI Becoming less of a broom-rape Bot-war Grind-fest was nothing that should be looked down upon. This is just a gigantic back-peddle with someone at top attempting to troll this game back to an Era the majority of the player base enjoyed leaving behind.

[Ravenmore]

To hell with Prestige, if I cared about it I'd be crying as hard as everybody else about the unreal requirements. I can't dual box nor can I do RMTstyle 6 account ducklings in a row to kill stuff like the majority of bitching population. I'm solely at the mercy of having to maintain relationships with actual people, with varied schedules and demands on their lives. Yes, we're grown up now and I acknowledge that and thus time to accomplish things are precious. I also accept people with limited time are more than capable of setting priorities and staging their goals accordingly.... oh wait .. I forgot, this is WoWFantasy 2012.

Never mind.

Yeah keep on thinking you can con 17 other sheep into helping you. Nothing ADL drops is worth it, DL drops you would be better off in doing it with 6 to be done faster then fighting 16(17 if the guy you are doing ADL for is a dick) other people over it. Then out of those 17 others helping you how many have relic them selfs? If one has on then you are now over 10 kils you have to do and for each person you can add 5 to 7 kills if RNG doesn't crap on you too. You give you friends to much credit more so if they have a relic too.