Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Nynja]

Hmm, that's true that the increased zeni will aid in procuring a popset for PW, but it's still a decent amount of mobs you have to fight for that. At best, it'll take 12 mobs scattered across various zones to get you the 3 colored seals for a PW item, whereas ADL's is 5 mobs in the same zone. Granted, those 12 are still easier due to being lower level, it'll still take a longer period of time to get to all 12; that's where my concern of making the 1 Scoria 100% comes from.

All of those mobs, up to and possibly including the t4 NM's, can all be done by someone 2boxing with relatively little difficulty.

There is no point there. People will do ADL, for it. People will help others with it. People have always gone to far greater lengths to help friends and LS members out than about ten less than two hour long events, spread out over a an arbitrary length of time. And it will be done again.

And during that time, those people, while helping out, were also gaining stuff on their end...either via loot or LS points to become #1 on said loot.

Again, aside from a handful of people here I don't see anyone raging anymore.

cuz they've been temp/perma banned for being unable to convey their rage in a somewhat polite manner.

[Anewie]

LOL man I wasn't going to say anything earlier.

1000 to 20, ppl still whine.

20 to 5, people still crying?






I have an idea, SE should just make an NPC where you can trade your 95 relic and he'll give you the 99 version w/ afterglow in exchange

I know you don't like me but THANK YOU

[detlef]

I've made my peace with the number of items required for the relic upgrade. My concern has turned to the procurement.

-ADL puts out quite a bit of damage and splits into copies, requiring you to either guess right or bring much more firepower to compensate. I think people would not bitch and complain as much if the fight were more repeatable.

-Currently there is only one ??? that is used for both DL and ADL. I assume an adjustment is on the way to allow more groups to pop simultaneously, as it is unreasonable to make people compete for the ??? when time is restricted.

-Must the marrow be restricted to only one mob? And only one drop per kill? Is there any harm in adding additional drop slots to ADL and/or adding marrow to other arch-mobs?

Considering how many relics there are out there, I think SE still isn't out of the woods yet because even if people get over the trial itself, a new wave of valid complaints regarding congestion may be just around the corner.

[Anewie]

Alright ... that's it.

I'm lending the Dev Team and dear Camate my www.crymeariver@whaambulance.mail because this is the largest session of crazy crying I've EVER seen on a forum. From 20 to 5, from 10 to 3 ... and dross/cinder is still 60. For the love of God, Allah, Altana .. whatever ... STOP CRYING!

This is a major concession in and of itself. For the FINAL tier of weapons (not including the Shiny Afterglow) the difficulty does and SHOULD fit what you're getting. Of the 56+ pages of whining, no its' NOT discussion, I've seen very little complaining about the 60 rift items - YES they can shout grouped, spammed, what have you but at the end of the day it's STILL 60 with a pittance of a drop rate and you'll have to pay for what you can't get.

If 5 items is still too much work, just stop threatening to quit go find the Cancellation page and make use of it. Because honestly, this is an MMO, it requires teamwork and compromises and YES competition. It's what drives a player to be the best and go after the best gear. Without that it's just being spoonfed like the WoW babies and the Abyssea babies that we've been plagued with since the start of that expansion.

BTW. THANK YOU, Camate and thank you Development Team for this concession as a future relic holder, future mythic holder and a veteran player. I have a challenge to look forward too while I wait on content. Cheers Mate!

I reiterate ... please send all flame and hatred to Idungivediddly@trollolol.mail

THANK YOU! Lovin it. I love non-whiney users, who don't want stuff handed to them.

If only theyd really quit, then SE would stop catering to these people.

GIVE ME THE BEST EASILY, OR I WILL QUIT!

At this point, yes its whining.


SE REP^

[Creelo]

Hmm, that's true that the increased zeni will aid in procuring a popset for PW, but it's still a decent amount of mobs you have to fight for that. At best, it'll take 12 mobs scattered across various zones to get you the 3 colored seals for a PW item, whereas ADL's is 5 mobs in the same zone. Granted, those 12 are still easier due to being lower level, it'll still take a longer period of time to get to all 12; that's where my concern of making the 1 Scoria 100% comes from.

There's hardly a time constaint though with getting Zeni. You can easily get the pop items/Zeni on your own time.

This is not the case with the Relic Trial. You'll have less than 2 Hours a day to get one ADL done (since 2hrs are used on ADL, you won't really be able to do more unless you bring in several Cor Mules or something lol). This cannot be done on your own or with just a few; you'll want a full Alliance for ADL.

If they do anything else, I really think they should at least let ADL's clones drop 1 Marrow as well. The description of the Umbral Marrow itself seems to match this idea as well. "A piceous substance made of pure shadow condensed into liquid form."

If SE were to do this, I would have much less of a problem with this trial because even if the ADL Run were to fail, you should be able to at least kill one of ADL's shadows.

[Seankp]

The DEVs of this game truly are out of touch and have lost sight of what is and isn't obtainable for the dwindling population of this game.

Arch Dynamis Lord drops are NOT realistic in this game. The Arch DL was not a realistic mob to farm when it was released at level 90, and still is not realistic even at 99!

People are accustomed to doing shouts for Voidwatch because EVERYONE gets rewarded every fight with SOMETHING. The Arch Dynamis Lord gear all sucks, the ONLY reason to do it would be for Umbral Marrow, 1 at a time for 1 person at a time. That is ridiculous.

I collected currency for 2 years, from 2005 to 2007 before I finished my relic, to be unable to upgrade it to 99 is a slap in the face for anyone who upgraded a relic before and after the changes, more so to the ones who did it before dynamis changed.

The Developers do not listen to their customers. They are stuck up in their own ideas of difficulty and fail to see any real logic in their decisions about the relics stage 1 95>99 trial.

The Mythic 95->99 trial stage 1 is FINE, PW is VERY easy to kill. Twilight Mail/Helm and level difference made this fight a joke. Even if this trial remained at 10 items, it would still be 100x easier than 5 Arch Dynamis Lord drops.

The Empyrean 95->99 trial stage 1 is FINE. It just takes numerous kills for Ig-Alima/Botulus Rex and buying them from people who have no intention of ever doing the 1500 Heavy Metal Plates.

NO ONE does the Arch Dynamis Lord. No one will do shouts for the Arch Dynamis Lord because everyone who has a relic will want the Umbral Marrow and once someone has their required amount, they likelihood of them ever helping on an Arch Dynamis Lord again drops to almost 0. People who have no relic have no reason or purpose to help them, there is no incentive, no reward, just a big waste of time.

Speaking of waste of time, everything the users (AKA SE's paying customers) have said on this forum, has been an utter waste of time because the Developers are NOT listening.

[wish12oz]

Ninja Edit: Ohohohoho, the dev team is consistent with one thing though: Disappointment.

It's to bad Tanaka is so bad at developing FFXI, or these trials could of really been fun.

EDIT: Just to make it clear, 5 is to many for ADL drops, and why the *&^$ were the empyrean items required not lowered like the rest? Empyreans already cost more then relics with the BS 1500 plate trial, quit screwing them over.

[Sparthos]

Who needs logistics when I have friends??

No, honestly. It's no less difficult to build an ADL than it is for a voidwatch group if you can either make appeal to their sense of greed (which is sad) or their sense of camaraderie if they've never been mistreated by said greedy bastards. It's not any different than any other large-scale content we've dealt with as players over the long years of gameplay. So seriously?? What's all the crying for? The other obvious answer to this is just not do it and we know what kinda bomb that's going to produce.

So because you have friends willing to repeat this mob for you at no gain to them (from the run itself), the trial is fine? Selfish much?

Funny you bring up large scale content because those events lacking incentive for individuals usually died instantly or were never big hits amongst the mainstream base. Yilbegan? Hydra? Fomor HNMs? Jormungand? The list is numerous of large scale content that sat idle because the drops were either complete shit or the one good drop wasn't worth fielding 18 people to obtain.

Now the game has shrunken down to mostly PUGs you really think people are going to successfully shout ADLs? Content that isn't being used seems to be what SE relishes in releasing when they come up with stuff like this. Well that or people desperate to swipe a debit card to finish the trial.

SE>> "We think most people will complete Stage 1."

Me>> "Think again."

[Nynja]

EDIT: Just to make it clear, 5 is to many for ADL drops, and why the *&^$ were the empyrean items required not lowered like the rest? Empyreans already cost more then relics with the BS 1500 plate trial, quit screwing them over.

Because no one bitched thinking the 1500 was a placeholder on the test server, which is why now we bitch because we know there are no placeholder numbers.

So because you have friends willing to repeat this mob for you at no gain to them (from the run itself), the trial is fine? Selfish much?

actually its at a loss of a couple million gil per person since they could be using that dynamis time to farm for themselves.

[Seankp]

Forgot to post my new suggestion to the Relic Trial. Relic trial only is the problem, not Mythic, not Empyrean.

Seriously, 5-10 Arch Dynamis Lord kills or bust at this point!

The relic trial needs to be amount of kills. Who cares about the 4 or 5 groups that have started farming a handful of Umbral Marrows. Let them sell them to those people who want Stage 2 Afterglow.

The trial NEEDS to be kills so Umbral Marrow is brought into circulation and people can actually complete stage 2!

The DEVs need to stop being stubborn and think with their heads for once, and not their .....!