Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Rezeak]

5? They're not just gonna hand it to you.

And it's not just the complaining, it's the whole "omg if it's not easy to get the absolute best weapons in the game, I'm quitting" threats that make me lol

5 is still bad tho if i could upgrade my relic w/ 60 riftcinder/dross i'd rather do that cause at least i can kill the VW mobs 20 times a day and save gil to buy them.

Either way the difficult they wanted was Emp (hardest) > Relic > Mythic (easiest)

As it is atm it is Relic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mythic = Emp.

If we could exchange Riftcinder/dross for Umbral marrow (iono 10 for 1) just as a way of making it so relic will not be as hard as Emps.

Like they said they wanted most players to be able to obtain them which will never be the case while the drops are linked to Arch Dyna lord.

[Brolic]

20, sure not unjustified.

5? They're not just gonna hand it to you.

No one handed me a relic(well my shell did) but still no one did. it's not like they're putting hard on top of free. they're putting hard on what was at the time a multi-year commitment.

[Cream_Soda]

I'll sympathize with anyone who made a relic/mythic before all the adjustments, but after the you can dual box 300 coins a day era, not so much

[Sparthos]

20, sure not unjustified.

5? They're not just gonna hand it to you.

And it's not just the complaining, it's the whole "omg if it's not easy to get the absolute best weapons in the game, I'm quitting" threats that make me lol

It could be 2 and the point still stands that no one does ADL, ADL takes too many bodies to be practical and this trial will be the death of weapons people generally associate with inferiority like Axe, Polearm, Club or Staff.

I don't expect SE to hand people these weapons done with afterglows but really the disconnect between player and developer has reached Looney Tunes levels here.

A trial to simply kill every Arch Boss once would have been enough here to be challenging while still allowing the usual relicholders to band together and plow through the trials together. 10 days of no money runs to finish every relic you/your PUG has. This sounds fair and actually forces people to do content that has been dead-on-arrival since Neo Dynamis launched.

It's also pretty obvious ADL needs some adjustments as a roulette of win or lose is about as dumb as content can get. No matter how skilled you are, you're bound by a zerg timer? Yawn.

The JP are bitching as furiously as the NA because this is classic bait 'n switch. Make dynamis easy, encourage lowman relics, design trials up to 99 that require few people then BAM 99 needs a full alliance/linkshell + full Dynamis run for ONE person? lol.

[Chriscoffey]

Looks like my drg mythic is looking better by the day. I didn't realize looking at 30,000 alex. would be better than looking at 5 ADLs.

[Geabrielle]

Alright ... that's it.

I'm lending the Dev Team and dear Camate my www.crymeariver@whaambulance.mail because this is the largest session of crazy crying I've EVER seen on a forum. From 20 to 5, from 10 to 3 ... and dross/cinder is still 60. For the love of God, Allah, Altana .. whatever ... STOP CRYING!

This is a major concession in and of itself. For the FINAL tier of weapons (not including the Shiny Afterglow) the difficulty does and SHOULD fit what you're getting. Of the 56+ pages of whining, no its' NOT discussion, I've seen very little complaining about the 60 rift items - YES they can shout grouped, spammed, what have you but at the end of the day it's STILL 60 with a pittance of a drop rate and you'll have to pay for what you can't get.

If 5 items is still too much work, just stop threatening to quit go find the Cancellation page and make use of it. Because honestly, this is an MMO, it requires teamwork and compromises and YES competition. It's what drives a player to be the best and go after the best gear. Without that it's just being spoonfed like the WoW babies and the Abyssea babies that we've been plagued with since the start of that expansion.

BTW. THANK YOU, Camate and thank you Development Team for this concession as a future relic holder, future mythic holder and a veteran player. I have a challenge to look forward too while I wait on content. Cheers Mate!

I reiterate ... please send all flame and hatred to Idungivediddly@trollolol.mail

[Sparthos]

Spoken like a person who doesn't understand the logistics of building an ADL party if you don't have an LS or suckers to drag to Dynamis-Xarcabard to finish your weapon at no gain to assisting members.

[Camiie]

I guess I'm being self-serving, but I still think Empyrean is where they took the biggest leap in difficulty, and so far, the 1500 HMPs and 60 rifts requirements have remained the same throughout all this. I'm sure many, and especially the devs, consider these trials to be balanced against the relative ease of that which came before. I, of course, disagree with that.

Camate mentioned that the intention for the Stage 1 Relic trials was that they would be doable by someone who was able to complete the previous trial. It doesn't seem from my perspective that the same philosophy was used for the 95-99 Empyrean trials. I just wonder is there any chance at all that the devs will be looking into these trials?

[Geabrielle]

Spoken like a person who doesn't understand the logistics of building an ADL party if you don't have an LS or suckers to drag to Dynamis-Xarcabard to finish your weapon at no gain to assisting members.

Who needs logistics when I have friends??

No, honestly. It's no less difficult to build an ADL than it is for a voidwatch group if you can either make appeal to their sense of greed (which is sad) or their sense of camaraderie if they've never been mistreated by said greedy bastards. It's not any different than any other large-scale content we've dealt with as players over the long years of gameplay. So seriously?? What's all the crying for? The other obvious answer to this is just not do it and we know what kinda bomb that's going to produce.

[CordeliaAzalan]

I completely agree with Geabrielle on this. Really, how much easier are people crying for it to be? When did the player base become so pacified and devoid of ambition and teamwork that OMG5ITEMs was an impossible task? Any brain-dead monkey from the old HNM days (ya know, the days people actually had skill and knew their jobs and didn't just piggyback on an Abyssea party) can piece together an alliance for ADL or PW... or, I don't know... they could have FRIENDS to help them. Ya know, friends? That oh-so-foreign concept to all the greedy little people roaming the servers, alienating everyone they come across for their own personal gain. Oh my, it's so hard to comprehend... dear lord, this truly saddens me.

On the other side of it, I do have to extend my thanks to the Devs and the community reps for putting up with these silly NAs complaining and whining that stuff is "too hard" ... waaah.

Oh, and P.S.: I've read the thread... it's still just a bunch of crybabies whining.