Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Arcon]

I set off for work at 7am every morning and get home at 6-6:30pm. If you added 2 hours a day every day for a solid amount of time it would basically mean only playing FFXI purely to Dynamis. Heaven forbid if I had kids or my wife didn't play too. My LS atm has 15 Relics in with 2 more partially complete for the record.

Yet, with your busy schedule, you have a relic? So unless you're stupidly rich, you've been doing Dynamis for what, four months, every day? Which is about the time you'll have to invest in it again. Only this time, you won't just complete your own relic, but also all other 14 relics in your LS (with some luck).

As I said, I just don't think it's unreasonable, compared to before.

[Brolic]

Yet, with your busy schedule, you have a relic? So unless you're stupidly rich, you've been doing Dynamis for what, four months, every day? Which is about the time you'll have to invest in it again. Only this time, you won't just complete your own relic, but also all other 14 relics in your LS (with some luck).

As I said, I just don't think it's unreasonable, compared to before.

his shell has been around for a while, it's the only credible eu shell on asura for the last 4? years. Jem's apoc is probably 2 years old now? was the 2nd on the server.. after mine (rip artaxerxes)

More so in those 4 years it wouldn't be such a huge leap to assume that people have gone from college students with loads of time on their hands to responsible working adults with not so much time.

[Gaspee]

More so in those 4 years it wouldn't be such a huge leap to assume that people have gone from college students with loads of time on their hands to responsible working adults with not so much time.

This is a variable that I don't see mentioned enough. You are absolutely right... the player base is much older than it was upon release and time is something not everyone can afford a lot of.

[Zhronne]

This is a variable that I don't see mentioned enough. You are absolutely right... the player base is much older than it was upon release and time is something not everyone can afford a lot of.

Yes and also gaming standards changed.
What was supposed to be "standard" or acceptable 4 years ago cannot be considered acceptable now. The market evolves and so need to do MMORPGs.

Also it's a psychological matter. Using a metaphore: In this game you're used to walk 600 miles it won't seem a big deal to walk for another 800 miles, you're used to it and you probably don't even imagine that things could be better.
Then, to your big surprise, SE gives you a Ferrari to cover those 600 miles and many many more with much less effort.
You complain a bit at start, but after 1year and a half you kinda get used to that.
Then, all of a sudden, SE makes your Ferrari disappear and tells you to walk for 400 miles.
Those 400 miles are technically less than 600 you used to walk back in your days, but still after having tried a Ferrari they will feel like ten times as much.

They only have themselves to blame for the "Ferrari". They should have given us a Bicycle instead. They can't really expect to go back to the 600miles walking thing and have the player base being happy? Not saying you should keep your Ferrari either, but at least try for something in between instead of jumping from one extreme to another!


They also aren't considering "practical" issues. If you're "forced" to do Dynamis-Xarcabard to help your friends, you won't be able to do Dynamis for yourself.
And wanna talk about the congestion at ADL? Or at how "random" ADL can be?


Personally I don't think the number of Marrows required matters much, it's just a bad idea planned in a bad way. A display of how to design things in a MMO the bad way.
It could be 2 marrows (which would be much easier of course) just like 50 but it would STILL BE a retarded idea, period.
I still don't get what good is there in this idea of promoting individuality to the detriment of collectivity.
Why do they have in 2012 to STILL design things that requires people being "forced" to do things together that will benefit one and only one out of 18 people for an extensive amount of time?

I don't get how they don't even consider these and many other implications, it seems like we're dealing with people who:
1) don't play their games
2) have just started developing mmorpgs
instead of professionists supposed to have over 10 years of experience in the field.

[Mahoro]

his shell has been around for a while, it's the only credible eu shell on asura for the last 4? years. Jem's apoc is probably 2 years old now? was the 2nd on the server.. after mine (rip artaxerxes)

More so in those 4 years it wouldn't be such a huge leap to assume that people have gone from college students with loads of time on their hands to responsible working adults with not so much time.

well, she already does Dyna in 2 hour chunks. I don't think they plan on increasing Dyna past 2 hrs, so it will fit into her work schedule.

Not to mention, could you imagine the drama that a trial like this could bring for shells that have 10+ Relics to upgrade?

"Who should get the Umbral Marrow?"

Personally, I would want to upgrade others' melee weapons over my own Gjallarhorn because they gain so much more at lvl 99, yet how am I to know that I would get the same help when it comes time for my own? Everyone knows how notorious it is for people to finish a Relic/Empy/Mythic and then just quit or take an "extended" break a week later lol

I think many large LS's have some form of DKP system for distributing Marrow. ^^

[Soidisant]

Yet, with your busy schedule, you have a relic? So unless you're stupidly rich, you've been doing Dynamis for what, four months, every day? Which is about the time you'll have to invest in it again. Only this time, you won't just complete your own relic, but also all other 14 relics in your LS (with some luck).

As I said, I just don't think it's unreasonable, compared to before.

I have 2. One from old school Dyna and one from after Dyna changes. Neither involved 4 months of daily Dynamis farming though.

Apoc was done Dec 2008 - Mar 2009 including like ~10 Dyna runs
Ragna was all done in Dec 2011 with just 2 Dyna runs (Attestation and Fragment)

Point being that not every Relic was done recently and involved farming Dyna daily for 4 months. A lot were done pre-changes and even after changes it doesn't mean people spent 2 hours a day in Dyna for 4 months.

Personally I do Dyna once a week and that's only because it's an LS event. No way could I drag myself in there daily for any sort of prolonged period of time. If we did Dynamis daily, it means we'd have to scrap all other LS events as the majority of the LS works during the day. Plus, if the LS does do ADL then it's far more likely we'd sell the Marrow (with it offered to LS members at 75% cost) and then split the gil equally among attending members so that non-relic holders in the LS aren't being unfairly treated.

Like I said though, 5 is potentially reasonable. I'll probably get Apoc to 99 and leave Ragna at 95. I imagine my wife will do Brav or Spharai to 99 and leave the other plus Gjallar at 95. The fact that we think we can get 1 each to 99 even with limited playtime means it's at least semi-reasonable.

I just hope that at the very least they add multiple ??? for the NM's in Xarc otherwise congestion is going to be a huge problem. Anything else after that would be a bonus.