Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Arcon]

Personally I don't think 5 is a bad choice for relics. Sure, some linkshells may need to work a year on it to get it for every one of their relics, but if they have people with four relics in it, I don't think that's too much to ask either. If someone can farm Dynamis every day for months on end to obtain a relic weapon in the first place, then repeat this again for three more relics, this hardly seems like an unsurmountable challenge, neither in effort nor duration. Only the focus will shift from solo efforts to linkshell efforts.

And don't even start with "nothing but Dynamis for a year", this is a 2h event. Even the most casual of players will be able to find a LS they can join regularly for this. These are, after all, the best three weapon classes in the game we're talking about, and considering that, I don't think a year's casual effort is too much to ask to get an entire linkshell upgraded on several weapons per player. Not to mention that this is still a gross exaggeration for the vast majority of linkshells in the game and most will likely be completely finished after a few months. As such I really can't find a reason to complain about 5 items per upgrade.

[Creelo]

And don't even start with "nothing but Dynamis for a year", this is a 2h event. Even the most casual of players will be able to find a LS they can join regularly for this.

A large majority of people don't want to do Dynamis everyday for a year. Simply doing Dynamis everday a week is already like 15 Hours/week. 14 Hours of Dynar + 1 Hour of Gathering Together/Random time wastes.

Personally, I don't want to have to take on a Part-time job to have to complete all of the relics in my LS; I want to complete all the relics in the shell, but not this way... :/

And so what if people did solo Dynamis entirely to get their Relic? They are still entitled to get the 99 Stage 1 version, but because these people probably lack a linkshell that could take on ADL, they are essentially screwed from finishing their weapon right from the start. Buying the five Umbral Marrows is no justification for an alternative either; that's just stupid.

[Arcon]

A large majority of people don't want to do Dynamis everyday for a year.

And almost no one will have to. As I said, most linkshells will easily finish within a few months (that's most linkshells that even own relics, many linkshells still have none, but this isn't about them). And they don't even have to, that's only if they want to get all their weapons upgraded to the top right away. And again, this is the final weapon (not counting glowing one, but that's another issue altogether, as it will never be obtained at all at the current rate). Unless they introduce yet another form of ultimate weapon in the new content, they will have the maxed out weapon in a few months of very casual effort (to most people who own relics, 2h a day is hardly effort at all). This is clearly targeted at the players who were willing to invest in a relic in the first place, which are usually people who don't mind investing a lot of time in upgrades for their gear.

I agree it's not perfect, but I honestly doubt we're gonna get much better than this. At least this isn't unreasonable anymore.

[Soidisant]

And don't even start with "nothing but Dynamis for a year", this is a 2h event. Even the most casual of players will be able to find a LS they can join regularly for this.

I set off for work at 7am every morning and get home at 6-6:30pm. If you added 2 hours a day every day for a solid amount of time it would basically mean only playing FFXI purely to Dynamis. Heaven forbid if I had kids or my wife didn't play too. My LS atm has 15 Relics in with 2 more partially complete for the record.


5 does have the potential to be reasonable though. It's going to depend on a few things (congestion, ease of PUG'ing ADL, Umbral Marrow being added to another mob or dropping in multiples, Marrow being readily available in Bazaars, etc.). It's a reluctant wait and see for me.