Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Insaniac]

Mythics are fine now. You can easily build all the sets in a week with a couple alts or some help and then kill 3 PW in 1 sitting with virtually no chance of failure and most LSs would only have to do this 1-3 times or none at all.

As for relics.... my LS gets to kill ADL 100-150 times to finish everyone's 99 relic? Count me the fuck out. There's too many relics in circulation. They need to realize this. You can't look at this trial as a simple number. There's too many factors that just aren't being accounted for. Keep the item trial but add the drop to mobs that can be killed with 2-6 people and increase the number required to 20-30. Trial fixed and all is right. The order really would be mythic < relic < emp. With those new numbers it's now mythic < emp < relic.

[Mahoro]

Mythics are fine now. You can easily build all the sets in a week with a couple alts or some help and then kill 3 PW in 1 sitting with virtually no chance of failure and most LSs would only have to do this 1-3 times or none at all.

As for relics.... my LS gets to kill ADL 100-150 times to finish everyone's 99 relic? Count me the fuck out. There's too many relics in circulation. They need to realize this. You can't look at this trial as a simple number. There's too many factors that just aren't being accounted for. Keep the item trial but add the drop to mobs that can be killed with 2-6 people and increase the number required to 20-30. Trial fixed and all is right. The order really would be mythic < relic < emp. With those new numbers it's now mythic < emp < relic.

They don't care how many Relics are in circulation, just as they don't care how many Emp 90's are in circulation. (See 1500 HMP trial.) From their actions, they clearly don't want 100% of the Relics finished, only an "acceptable" percentage.

Honestly, 5 ADL items per relic is a lot more reasonable for my LS when you take into account the relicholders, the people who want Arch boss drops, and the people who don't usually enter Dyna who want DKP. Although I still take issue with their statement that a majority of people with appropriate equipment would likely be able to finish these trials. ADL is still not PUG content. Only in a large LS setting with an Arch Boss event rotation would these ever get done...and even then a LS will probably do ADL a few times a month, 36 times a year. They really misled people IMO.

[Insaniac]

They don't care how many Relics are in circulation, just as they don't care how many Emp 90's are in circulation.

You're right. They don't care and that's why this trial is messed up. It's something a good dev team would consider. People doing this trial as a group of 18 are sentenced to 3 nights of ADL a week for over 7 months to get everyone their 99. Mythics can finish in a week or 2 of lowman NM killing followed by a couple hours of PW. Emps can just lowman dynamis and buy rift items. The only reasonable way for a single person complete the ADL trial is in a PUG group of 17 other people who don't need the item. These might be possible for a week or 2 but that will die out fast and it will be LS only content in which case to not be an assh*le you need to kill ADL 5 times for every relic in your shell which is a number that for most shells is growing by 1-2 per month. Screw it, I could write a 10 page report on the cause and effect of this trial but it wouldn't do a damn thing because you are right. They don't care.