Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Dragoy]

Disregarding the ridonkulous trials being devised, I find it borderline hilarious that they reason not changing anything in general because some players might have already collected some of the items that will be required for them...

I'm not biting that. >.>;

[Rezeak]

From the Jp forum the planned number is ....
here
Relic Weapon: 5
Mythic Weapon: 3
Emp Weapon: 60

Still annoying... but least it's not 20

There was something about getting kill but i think they said the same thing that it wouldn't be added cause of pple already collecting items.

Also they said something about if it was kills it would be item X 18 in kill so near 100 kills .... goddamn

Edit : Honestly i feel this is still dumb
Wish they make us work for new gear not existing gear that already required months/years of work

[Nervosa]

Does the dev team enjoy building a game just to bring it down?

[Unctgtg]

From the Jp forum the planned number is ....

Relic Weapon: 5
Mythic Weapon: 3
Emp Weapon: 60

Still annoying... but least it's not 20

There was something about getting kill but i think they said the same thing that it wouldn't be added cause of pple already collecting items.

Also they said something about if it was kills it would be item X 18 in kill so near 100 kills .... goddamn

Edit : Honestly i feel this is still dumb
Wish they make us work for new gear not existing gear that already required months/years of work

Still not acceptable.

[Insaniac]

Mythics are fine now. You can easily build all the sets in a week with a couple alts or some help and then kill 3 PW in 1 sitting with virtually no chance of failure and most LSs would only have to do this 1-3 times or none at all.

As for relics.... my LS gets to kill ADL 100-150 times to finish everyone's 99 relic? Count me the fuck out. There's too many relics in circulation. They need to realize this. You can't look at this trial as a simple number. There's too many factors that just aren't being accounted for. Keep the item trial but add the drop to mobs that can be killed with 2-6 people and increase the number required to 20-30. Trial fixed and all is right. The order really would be mythic < relic < emp. With those new numbers it's now mythic < emp < relic.

[Unctgtg]

All they have to do is ADD it to regular DL, which can be trioed now a days.

[Mahoro]

Mythics are fine now. You can easily build all the sets in a week with a couple alts or some help and then kill 3 PW in 1 sitting with virtually no chance of failure and most LSs would only have to do this 1-3 times or none at all.

As for relics.... my LS gets to kill ADL 100-150 times to finish everyone's 99 relic? Count me the fuck out. There's too many relics in circulation. They need to realize this. You can't look at this trial as a simple number. There's too many factors that just aren't being accounted for. Keep the item trial but add the drop to mobs that can be killed with 2-6 people and increase the number required to 20-30. Trial fixed and all is right. The order really would be mythic < relic < emp. With those new numbers it's now mythic < emp < relic.

They don't care how many Relics are in circulation, just as they don't care how many Emp 90's are in circulation. (See 1500 HMP trial.) From their actions, they clearly don't want 100% of the Relics finished, only an "acceptable" percentage.

Honestly, 5 ADL items per relic is a lot more reasonable for my LS when you take into account the relicholders, the people who want Arch boss drops, and the people who don't usually enter Dyna who want DKP. Although I still take issue with their statement that a majority of people with appropriate equipment would likely be able to finish these trials. ADL is still not PUG content. Only in a large LS setting with an Arch Boss event rotation would these ever get done...and even then a LS will probably do ADL a few times a month, 36 times a year. They really misled people IMO.

[Frost]

Ok well... It DOES "Technically" fall into the realm of "doable by most groups of 95"...

I still think it's a bit much. It would be acceptable if you could get the Umbral Marrow from any Arch Dynamis Boss.

How about this:

Bastok/Sandy/Windurst Dynamis: Arch Dynamis Stone = 25% Chance at Umbral Marrow.
Valkrum/Bubu/Qufim Dynamis: Arch Marlboro/Dragon/Gigas = 33% Chance at Umbral Marrow.
Beacedine Dynamis: Arch Angra Manyu = 50% Chance at Umbral Marrow.
Xarcabard/Tavnazia Dynamis: Arch Dynamis Lord/Diablos(DSCH) = 100% Chance at Umbral Marrow.

And:
Dynamis Lord/Diablos(nq) = 5% chance.
Angra Manyu = 3% Chance.
Any City "Boss" Stone = 1% Chance

Can you put in that request?

[Vold]

From the Jp forum the planned number is ....
here
Relic Weapon: 5
Mythic Weapon: 3
Emp Weapon: 60

Still annoying... but least it's not 20

There was something about getting kill but i think they said the same thing that it wouldn't be added cause of pple already collecting items.

Also they said something about if it was kills it would be item X 18 in kill so near 100 kills .... goddamn

Edit : Honestly i feel this is still dumb
Wish they make us work for new gear not existing gear that already required months/years of work

"5 ok?"

[Insaniac]

Ok well... It DOES "Technically" fall into the realm of "doable by most groups of 95"...

I still think it's a bit much. It would be acceptable if you could get the Umbral Marrow from any Arch Dynamis Boss.

How about this:

Bastok/Sandy/Windurst Dynamis: Arch Dynamis Stone = 25% Chance at Umbral Marrow.
Valkrum/Bubu/Qufim Dynamis: Arch Marlboro/Dragon/Gigas = 33% Chance at Umbral Marrow.
Beacedine Dynamis: Arch Angra Manyu = 50% Chance at Umbral Marrow.
Xarcabard/Tavnazia Dynamis: Arch Dynamis Lord/Diablos(DSCH) = 100% Chance at Umbral Marrow.

And:
Dynamis Lord/Diablos(nq) = 5% chance.
Angra Manyu = 3% Chance.
Any City "Boss" Stone = 1% Chance

Can you put in that request?

I know you are probably low balling so this might look more attractive to someone who develops MMOs and hates fun but please don't give them any ideas. At 5 items required all Arch bosses should drop 1, ADL and Arch Diabolos should drop 2-3 and DL/Diabolos/Angra should have a 10% chance of 1, and City Bosses could be left off the list since they are used for trials and we don't want people working on 2 trials at once do we!?!