Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Damane]

I can understand not wanting to play MMO's by SE, but really going to stop playing ANY game SE makes?

I stoped buying the Final Fantasy games after VIII alllready, not missing them kind of. Gave FFXIII a try and found it utter bullshit. And everything else from them has gone to garbage too, so yeah I dont need SE products when there is stuff like mass effect, skyrim etc. I will keep on playing FFXI, but my motivation kind of slipped away with no hope that this trial would ever change. Lets see how long that keeps me going.
Everytime I think now of a SE game, I have this bitter stomach feeling, because of those stupid things they did in FFXI.

Waiting on Guild Wars 2.

[Kraggy]

Hey! Remember when that other team at SE decided not to listen to their players when they said FF14 was turning out to be garbage? You're doing the same again SE! Learn from your past mistakes and don't implement these shit trials. NO ONE likes them.

Exactly my thoughts as I was reading the replies to this utterly depressing information from Camate.

It's also depressing to see how Yoshi and the 'new' XIV team are bending over backwards to try to listen and accommodate players' suggestions and criticisms as they [SE] work on XIV 2.0, while the XI team after a period a year or so back of apparently learning from the years of completely ignoring the XI playerbase and making many changes to XI to make it more 'user friendly' (and reaping much praise for their changed attitude), have now sunk back into their former deaf-to-the-players state.

I'm not an end-gamer, I don't have a relic and never will, but their back-to-group-or-die design also has an impact on those of us who play solo or in small (read 'usually less than full') groups: witness the 95 Limit Break as another example.

[Kimble]

I really wonder why people hate XIII so much. I thought it was a pretty fun game.

[Maacha]

It seems fairly straight forwards to me... you pay the other 17 people in your group 1 mil each to do ADL with you. Assuming that you farm your own pop set before-hand, and can then farm another pop set with each group and kill 2 ADLs within that 2 hour frame; it's 170 mil for the 1st stage to a 99 relic. This is assuming he averages 1 UM per fight.

The fewer number of people that you can kill him with, or the more ADLs you can kill per run = the less it will cost you.

You do realize that you pretty much need Perfect Defense in order to kill him, right? Since that's a 2 hour ability, you can't use it more than once during a single dynamis run. Unless you brought spare summoners (lol), you can't do more than 1 ADL per day.

SE already lost me and my $60 per month because of this and other "balance" issues, my accounts were cancelled a few days ago. I wonder when my forum access will be cut off...

[Tamoa]

It seems fairly straight forwards to me... you pay the other 17 people in your group 1 mil each to do ADL with you. Assuming that you farm your own pop set before-hand, and can then farm another pop set with each group and kill 2 ADLs within that 2 hour frame; it's 170 mil for the 1st stage to a 99 relic. This is assuming he averages 1 UM per fight.

The fewer number of people that you can kill him with, or the more ADLs you can kill per run = the less it will cost you.

Are you serious?? Worst case scenario that'll cost a relic owner 340 million gil - how can you, or anyone else think that's reasonable in any way, shape or form??? I really, truly hope you're being sarcastic - or could it possibly be the fact that you don't own a relic and maybe noone in your ls owns one either? "It doesn't affect me personally so it's ok" - right?


As for Camate's post - first of all, Camate you've said that you do indeed play this game, I wonder what you really think of this? And yes I know you won't answer that, but still, I do wonder... I'm also sorry that you have to post such nonsense.

The biggest reason for this decision is that it was explained previously on the forum that the basis for stage 1 enhancements would be item collection and their thinking is that as long as there are people who have already started collecting these items, it would be best not to change the trial.

So what? Seriously, so what? It's those players' own damn fault for jumping the gun, so to speak. And if the numbers were to be changed, and it turns out they have more items than they need, they could sell the excess, you know? Or what others have already suggested, if the trial is changed from X amount of items to X amount of kills, they could turn in the items and get kill credit. Or sell them to those poor saps that actually go for the stage 2 weapon.

[Aldersyde]

I really wonder why people hate XIII so much. I thought it was a pretty fun game.

XIII suffers from what every FF has suffered from since VIII came out...that it isn't FFVII or FFVII-2 or a remake of FFVII.

I've seriously enjoyed every FF that's ever come out, even Mystic Quest. Sometimes I think people find it's more fun to nitpick at games than actually play them.

[Elgorian]

Yeah, I loved XIII and XIII-2 should be here in the morning.

On-Topic:

You know what we need? A strike. If Idk... 50-60% of the playerbase... canceled there account for hell just a month... it would hurt them bad. If they won't listen to reason then why not give them something to listen to? Something that will show them what the future of this game looks like if they keep pulling this shit.

[Kimble]

Lol, I always kinda felt it was something like that. For most people, VII was the greatest game ever made, so any game that isnt VII, is going to suck for them.

[TMG]

If they really go through with this trial, I feel like I might as well go ahead and finish my 95 Mandau, then proceed to toss it as soon as the moogle hands it to me, log out and cancel payments on both of my accounts. That seems to be what they want. Do they hate money that much? I've tried to tell myself they aren't REALLY trying to kill the game every time someone says it but I'm starting to believe it now. That's how much of a slap in the face this whole situation feels to me. I've probably given them more than $2500 over the last 6 years, that's pretty shitty to think about with the way they're treating their customers.

I think when my living situation gets worked out here in a few months, I'm going to be cancelling both of my XI accounts and my XIV account (which will probably go sooner because that game isn't worth paying for as it is), and my fiance will probably follow suit, so they'll be out ~$70 a month due to this retardation if they really keep it up. If they actually keep their word and fix this stupid trial so that MOST players can complete it, we'll reconsider. Imagine if every relic holder stopped paying them over this. Do the math SE, you're digging your own grave. Maybe that's what you want though.

[Aldersyde]

I stoped buying the Final Fantasy games after VIII alllready, not missing them kind of. Gave FFXIII a try and found it utter bullshit. And everything else from them has gone to garbage too, so yeah I dont need SE products when there is stuff like mass effect, skyrim etc. I will keep on playing FFXI, but my motivation kind of slipped away with no hope that this trial would ever change. Lets see how long that keeps me going.
Everytime I think now of a SE game, I have this bitter stomach feeling, because of those stupid things they did in FFXI.

Waiting on Guild Wars 2.

I find it absolutely hilarious that you call FFXIII bullshit while praising a bug-ridden game like Skyrim. You do know that if you play Skyrim on the 360 or PS3 long enough, it becomes nigh unplayable with freezing/lag issues right? Yeah, I know that those issues CAN be fixed but seriously, shit like that never should have made it out of the development studio, especially on a single player console game.