Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Juilan]

Camate while I understand where their logic is coming come expecting 17 other people to get you an item WITHOUT ANY BENEFIT to them is not going to work unless it drops for mutiple NMs. If they expect relic holders to find 17 people to be their slaves for almost a month on ADL it won't be completed for most people. This doesn't even get into the ADL numbers for stage 2. I don't mind working and having somewhat a challenge for upgrading my relic but considering ADL and his pop requirements and killing strategy I doubt I see myself getting that kind of help.

Solution: Dev team will give you a signal pearl at start of the trial and a GM will kill it for you once you use it!

[Vold]

Why would there be a huge gap? What the hell? Do the devs not see these 40+ page threads about how people are tired of putting in more work for less results?

That's their answer to everything. SE knows that it'll take people a long time to finish this trial. They WANT it. Otherwise they wouldn't be spewing about having a kill trial being multiplied over drops. Nevermind that getting just 20 kills would take how long for the average relic holder? I don't even want to think about it. So what would they chose? 50 kills? 100 kills? Whatever they think will match the amount of effort to get stage 1 with ADL drops. Are they thinking 1 out of 18 kills? 18 people alliance, 1 per drop every kill? So like, hold on let me do the math on that... oh ok, 360 kills. Yeah.

Lolololololololololololololol. I'm so past the rage stage and am into the laughter stage. This trolling is pretty epic. Hit it, Rick!

Aww don't worry my fellow Japanese brothers and sisters, I didn't forget about you! Hit it, Japanese Rick!

[Washburn]

He smites everyone all the time forever, in order to keep it balanced. For every really inspired spell or ability added, there's another that isn't even worth the 2+ seconds of melee-time you lose for it. For every tree that grows in Brooklyn, a tree falls and crushes someone to death in Arkansas. For every awesome weapon added, one more person undertakes the Magian Trial for a horrible thing that Occasionally Attacks 2-4 Times with horrible distribution and horrible delay. For every rare animal that is shown compassion and saved, one gorilla is captured and shaved and put to work in a brothel.



This. This to infinity.

They didn't take the incentives for killing the monster into account, either. Archie the Dynamis Lord drops stuff that was never that good and he drops that stuff at a disappointing rate, Pandemonium Warden drops stuff that while awesome at 75 is more pointless than performing breast augmentation on a young boy's corpse, and the Voidwatch things drop...Oh, hey, stuff that actually makes people want to fight them; trial or no trial.

you're picture is about as creepy as the cover of "The Shining". Take it as a compliment. I'm proud of you.

[Washburn]

That's their answer to everything. SE knows that it'll take people a long time to finish this trial. They WANT it. Otherwise they wouldn't be spewing about having a kill trial being multiplied over drops. Nevermind that getting just 20 kills would take how long for the average relic holder? I don't even want to think about it. So what would they chose? 50 kills? 100 kills? Whatever they think will match the amount of effort to get stage 1 with ADL drops. Are they thinking 1 out of 18 kills? 18 people alliance, 1 per drop every kill? So like, hold on let me do the math on that... oh ok, 360 kills. Yeah.

Lolololololololololololololol. I'm so past the rage stage and am into the laughter stage. This trolling is pretty epic. Hit it, Rick!

Aww don't worry my fellow Japanese brothers and sisters, I didn't forget about you! Hit it, Japanese Rick!

i cant believe i fell for that rick roll....

[Unctgtg]

Thread over here as well.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...R-M-E-upgrades

[Buffy]

I'd rather have 500 PW kills, then 300 PW x1 drop.

Edit: Actually, keep the stage 1 trial as item drops, make the stage 2 trial mob kills. This way everyone can make progress. And people who have completed stage 1, will help others complete stage 1.

SE, listen to your player base in this.

Experiences/trials that cause people to work together towards a common goal are a benefit to the community. It builds relationships and causes trust. If I know 10 other people that need to kill PW, I can work with them and co-ordinate on building pops and kills.

But when we each need a drop, and that drop is uncommon, we become competitors. We don't work together, we don't build relationships. Relationships are the core of this game. Poll your players, most of them play because of the people they play with, not because they just HAVE to kill Akvan 73 more times.

I play because of my linkshell and the people that I know in real life that I met through the game.

In fact, doesn't SE assert that they don't want players competing over drops and selling them? Isn't this the whole logic behind the horrible, horrible drop system that is voidwatch?

Let us work together, benefiting ourselves, but others at the same time.

[casual]

The only way this will end well is if they make the trial requirement 1 item or add Umbral marrow to a lot of different dynamis NMs. That or the dev team can get their heads out of their asses and listen to the player base. Killshots will not upset any balance, I bet a total of 10 umbral marrow have been collected intentionally across all servers.

[Arkanethered]

Forget it... I'm done.

[Babygyrl]

I dont think the developers even care, You get our Hopes up, Stating that ALMOST EVERYONE with a relic will be able to complete stage 1 of the 99 trial, but then you throw this in our face. It is NOT possible to do this trial for EVERY relic owner, hell not even MOST relic owners in a timely manner, you completely lied to our faces, even if the number turns out to be 1, ADL is terrible, and people will still be screwed because people are not going to fight ADL 50 times for everyone relic weapon.

[Nala]

freaking wow... i'm just shocked at this point... well as an idea how about all peeps make thier own thread about R/M trial requirements, if 1 post with a shit ton of likes doesnt fly just barrage them with posts........ FFS whats wrong with these retards.........