Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Atomic_Skull]

The Devs don't play their own game our understand exactly how out-of-reach this trials is going to be to the average, even above average relic holder, especially if they consider it as such (in reach)

Since when is 100-200 million gil out of reach of the average relic holder? If you can't do ADL then buy the items from the many groups that will be farming ADL to sell his drop for 5-10 million gil. At that price ADL is a guaranteed 10-20m gill, more than enough for people to forgo currency farming and farm an ADL pop set instead.

If SE did not intend people do buy the drops then you would not be able to put them in bazaar. Obviously they do or the items would have been Ex.

[Karbuncle]

You have fun with that.

The idea that LS's will actually farm this item to sell it to people is absurd to begin with. Most of them will farm it for their own Relic holders - From that point, a few may sell them sure, But theres not that many good LS's who can take out Arch Dynamis Lord across all servers, Maybe just 1-2 Per Server who could do it.

Even then, They have to rely on the dumb-luck factor of "I split in two, hope you guess right".

The idea that 100-200mil is within the reach of your average Relic holder, Who likely farmed their Relic through Dynamis, Is also laughable, But i won't even get into that, because its based off the completely wrong assumption that there will suddenly be a large enough supply of these in bazaars for people to buy.

To date, even people knowing the trial is going to be this, i have not seen a single one of these items in a Bazaar, and I've looked on more than one occasion.

[Atomic_Skull]

You have fun with that

25% to 50% there already depending on what the selling price is. I was expecting a large outlay of gil for the last upgrade so I've been busy this past year.

[Karbuncle]

I updated my post a bit.

The idea of buying the items isn't insane - the idea that there will be a large enough quantity of these in peoples bazaars to actually buy them is the insanity. They don't exactly drop from the sky like Currency and Forgotten items.

You'll see maybe 1-2 Linkshell Mules per server with 1 in their bazaar at any given time, If even that. Again, on Asura, I haven't seen a single one, Anyone farming them are keeping them for their own relic.

You can be sitting on 500mil gil, and it won't matter if theres no supply.

[Vold]

Since when is 100-200 million gil out of reach of the average relic holder?

Ignorance is truly bliss, I bet. But you keep on with that gil drive. Let us know how it feels down the road to repurchase your relic weapon(possibly as much as three times over) at 99 because your 150 million previously was not enough for SE. Then you can look at yourself and love yourself.

[Siiri]

I don't have a relic, just emp weapon, so I don't have a dog in the relic trial fight. That being said, I help run a linkshell that often takes member requests and will farm items for people. I will not help farm ADL items the way it is currently set up. Mainly, any fight that requires 18 people to be there solely for 1 person numerous times is going to fail for most these days. Most of just don't have the desire and/or energy to return to an old school dyna event where we all work for 1 person.

If it was a reasonable amount of kills that several relic holders could group together to do, that would at least be somewhat plausible. I could see myself helping with that once a week or once a month for x amount of times. Hopefully all the feedback will result in something more realistic for the relic holders.

[Tamoa]

Not to mention that after SE said what items are required to get 99 Empy some ppl like me started to gather them and they will (I will for sure) feel cheated if the trial wont require those items ( dont even joke with stage 2). I have 97 dross which I got for like 40M and I dont want to end up with 97 useless items (and yes I have 95 already opposed to 99% of ppl who whine about 99 trials and doesnt even have 95)

I'm sorry, but I just have to point out that if SE decides to change the requirement for stage 1 level 99 empyrean weapon, it'll be your own fault for buying these items before the trial is actually implemented, just going by some numbers and stuff on the test server.

On the other hand, personally I don't believe SE will change it. I do wish they'd lower the number some, though.

[Mahoro]

I don't have a relic, just emp weapon, so I don't have a dog in the relic trial fight. That being said, I help run a linkshell that often takes member requests and will farm items for people. I will not help farm ADL items the way it is currently set up. Mainly, any fight that requires 18 people to be there solely for 1 person numerous times is going to fail for most these days. Most of just don't have the desire and/or energy to return to an old school dyna event where we all work for 1 person.

If it was a reasonable amount of kills that several relic holders could group together to do, that would at least be somewhat plausible. I could see myself helping with that once a week or once a month for x amount of times. Hopefully all the feedback will result in something more realistic for the relic holders.

Nobody wants Shadow Gear/Archon Gear/Sagasinger? You will probably get some people in your shell who would lot them although they are considered niche pieces. I know a few people who play PLD who would love to get Sagasinger. Not that it justifies a LS doing 20 * x ADL fights (where "x" is the number of relics in shell). I'm not a fan of the trial's requirements, but there is certainly more interest in ADL than in PW, whose drops are completely outdated now.

[Crysten]

This is the situation I'm ultimately reminded of every time I come back to this discussion.

Looking at Camate's reply though, the dev team clearly aren't listening to the points we're making, either way.

[Taint2]

Umbra won't be merced.

ADL is an annoying bastard, requires tome farming and then can screw you when he multiplies.

The only reason to Merc is to afford items like Relics, all Merc groups have Relics of their own to worry about.

SEs best bet is to make it drop off Multiple Dynamis bosses.