Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Camate]

We have been seeing a lot of pretty fierce comments in regards to the trials to upgrade Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons and I feel the need to comment on a couple of things.

The number of items necessary
Let me start off with an explanation and apology.

While we did mention that the number was temporary, it seems like many of you misunderstood that and took the numbers we posted as indicators of the actual values. Instead, we should have used numbers like 1 or 9999 to make it abundantly clearer that these numbers were temporary.

I do not want to risk confusing you all even more, so I will make this simple. The difficulty (as well as time necessary) of obtaining the items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will be, in order of increasing difficulty, Mythic > Relic > Empyrean. As such, the number of items necessary to upgrade each type of gear will not be the same between the sets of trials.

As an adjustment to the time required for both creating and enhancing Mythic weapons, we are trying to increase the amount of zeni received for each soulplate traded, so you receive over 10 times the amount. (Currently on the test server the data has been changed so you receive 15 times as much)

With this as a basis, we are currently looking into and testing the appropriate amount of items, as well as the content of trials up until now and the obtainment paths for the required items. Once the amount has been decided after the investigation, we will be announcing the information along with the detailed thought process behind it.

In the meantime, we ask that you please stop focusing discussions on the idea that these values on the test server are the actual values that are to be implemented.
　
　
　
The accuracy of the content implemented on the test server
Regarding content implemented on the test server, we have been receiving comments stating that it is not right to implement content that has yet to be finalized.

We understand that some of these comments may come from players who have not read our posts or the information released with the road map, but I would like to explain again, because the test server is an important aspect of future version updates, as well as our development and QA procedures.

In general, please consider content implemented on the test server as content that is either in development, needing adjustments or in the process of being adjusted.

As soon as content is implemented on the test server, not only do players have a chance to test out the new content, the development and QA teams also perform balance checks and bug screening. It would be possible to delay player access to the test server, but this would shorten the time that players are able to submit feedback, which may lead to unnecessary delays. Therefore, we have our current test server for the benefit of all involved, so we would appreciate if you understand the reasoning behind our current implementation strategy.

[Insaniac]

The shared concern seems to be that an item trial makes 0 sense. It makes even less sense when you consider that the item comes from content requiring 18+ people and it starts getting really stupid when the same items required for stage 1 are required for stage 2. Most people are aware that the number is temporary but even if lowered to 5 there are still far too many relics in circulation for this trial to be considered something that most PCs will complete and the demand for these items to complete stage 1 means that stage 2 is no longer just a virtual impossibility it is now literally impossible.

Stage 1 needs to be rebuilt and rethought from the ground up. Lowering the number of items required does not fix it.

[Atoreis]

The shared concern seems to be that an item trial makes 0 sense. It makes even less sense when you consider that the item comes from content requiring 18+ people and it starts getting really stupid when the same items required for stage 1 are required for stage 2. Most people are aware that the number is temporary but even if lowered to 5 there are still far too many relics in circulation for this trial to be considered something that most PCs will complete and the demand for these items to complete stage 1 means that stage 2 is no longer just a virtual impossibility it is now literally impossible.

Stage 1 needs to be rebuilt and rethought from the ground up. Lowering the number of items required does not fix it.

Ymm no.

Empyrean trial is fine.
Mythic trial is fine (considering 1000+ zeni per photo)
Relic trial is not fine

Best solution is not to change all those trials but add Umbral Marrow to drop pool of Normal Dynamis lord (100% 1 drop) and make ADL drop like 10 of them. That is the simplest solution.

Not to mention that after SE said what items are required to get 99 Empy some ppl like me started to gather them and they will (I will for sure) feel cheated if the trial wont require those items ( dont even joke with stage 2). I have 97 dross which I got for like 40M and I dont want to end up with 97 useless items (and yes I have 95 already opposed to 99% of ppl who whine about 99 trials and doesnt even have 95)

[Insaniac]

Ymm no.

Empyrean trial is fine.
Mythic trial is fine (considering 1000+ zeni per photo)
Relic trial is not fine

Best solution is not to change all those trials but add Umbral Marrow to drop pool of Normal Dynamis lord (100% 1 drop) and make ADL drop like 10 of them. That is the simplest solution.

Not to mention that after SE said what items are required to get 99 Empy some ppl like me started to gather them and they will (I will for sure) feel cheated if the trial wont require those items ( dont even joke with stage 2). I have 97 dross which I got for like 40M and I dont want to end up with 97 useless items (and yes I have 95 already opposed to 99% of ppl who whine about 99 trials and doesnt even have 95)

I may have not been clear but I was only talking about the relic trials. Emp trials are perfectly fine and mythic trials are even kind of ok with the new zeni values. Relic trials need to be scrapped and redone completely since neither of the other trials suffer from a "2 hours once a day" penalty.

[Atoreis]

I may have not been clear but I was only talking about the relic trials. Emp trials are perfectly fine and mythic trials are even kind of ok with the new zeni values. Relic trials need to be scrapped and redone completely since neither of the other trials suffer from a "2 hours once a day" penalty.

The problem is they probably wont change umbral marrow to something else w/o changing mythic and empyrean and that would be rude for ppl whole already started collect those items.
Only solution is to add umbral marrow as drop for DL or for example instead of treasure pool from ADL just put ??? after you kill it from which when you click on it you get Umbral Marrow. That will reward everyone in ally with one Umbral Marrow.

[Tamoa]

Not to mention that after SE said what items are required to get 99 Empy some ppl like me started to gather them and they will (I will for sure) feel cheated if the trial wont require those items ( dont even joke with stage 2). I have 97 dross which I got for like 40M and I dont want to end up with 97 useless items (and yes I have 95 already opposed to 99% of ppl who whine about 99 trials and doesnt even have 95)

I'm sorry, but I just have to point out that if SE decides to change the requirement for stage 1 level 99 empyrean weapon, it'll be your own fault for buying these items before the trial is actually implemented, just going by some numbers and stuff on the test server.

On the other hand, personally I don't believe SE will change it. I do wish they'd lower the number some, though.

[Atoreis]

I'm sorry, but I just have to point out that if SE decides to change the requirement for stage 1 level 99 empyrean weapon, it'll be your own fault for buying these items before the trial is actually implemented, just going by some numbers and stuff on the test server.

On the other hand, personally I don't believe SE will change it. I do wish they'd lower the number some, though.

Nope that would be true if http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Version-Update wouldnt been posted

*New Magian trials for Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean weapons have been delayed to allow time for proper balancing.
They are scheduled to be introduced to the test server in the near future and implemented in the release version in an additional version update.
The items required for the trials, however, have been introduced in advance in this version update.

They said the trial is delayed but those items WILL be used to upgreade those weapons. That goes to real server not test server.

Ofc you can say that they still will be used for upg... to stage 2 but thats obviously trolling.
If no those update notes or those items just introduced in test server you would be right but its not the case.

[Nynja]

Nope that would be true if http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Version-Update wouldnt been posted

They also initially posted 1k items, and then 20...both times have since been met with "this is temporary, it'll change"

[Atoreis]

They also initially posted 1k items, and then 20...both times have since been met with "this is temporary, it'll change"

What part you dont understand?

Trial WILL use those items so go collect them at REAL SERVER.
Trial is not finished yet so NUMBER of those items required might change so we only put it at TEST SERVER for now.

Still dont understand?

[Helel]

Nope that would be true if http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Version-Update wouldnt been posted



They said the trial is delayed but those items WILL be used to upgreade those weapons. That goes to real server not test server.

Ofc you can say that they still will be used for upg... to stage 2 but thats obviously trolling.
If no those update notes or those items just introduced in test server you would be right but its not the case.

You said it yourself. The items that they introduced in advance are used for the stage 2 upgrade, so they're not lying (if they don't implement them for stage 1), nor are they trolling anyone who isn't stupid enough to start buying/farming them in advance.