Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Insaniac]

I see 20 or more new relics every month on my server, I guess none of those people will ever need ADL though!

You said the same thing like 3 hours ago. They wont need it on their SMN or COR I promise you that. Like I said maybe 4 posts ago. Your alliance will consist of a bunch of PLDs THFs BSTs and DRKs. How many PLDs BSTs and THFs are you willing to take to your zerg?

[Anewie]

The type of shells I run and ran? I'd like to know what internet detective Anewie thinks she knows about my linkshells, lulz.

Running a shell is only hard work if you let it become hard work. If you straddle along a bunch of retards who need everything explained to them in detail before every single event, then you should just /breaklinkshell and get new peeps. See, when you have a shell pull of intelligent, capable players who know what's up, you don't need to tell them much of anything. Everyone's already on the same page. Maybe you should try being in a shell with intelligent people for a change, you might learn something.

What? You think managing drops is super hard? Dealing with everyone's baw baw problems got you down? Not my problem. If your members can't conduct themselves like adults, and you can't handle them, then you just aren't cut out for leadership.

Leading in every shell I've ever run has always been a volunteer matter. It's a bit of extra work for no extra pay and if that's a problem people are always free to stop being a sack. No harm, no foul. Shit's just not that hard, boo.

It's subjective. Running a shell is hard work to me and many others. You can disagree, that's cool. It's you opinion and I don't mean to be rude but honestly.. GIf you honestly think, running a larger scale, sccessful, active ls is so easy, then you should have no problem too be honest. But I already know you're frontin.

Running an abyssea group (or a linkshell as you would call it) doesn't in my opinion count as making and running a real linkshell. Sorry booboo. You don't know and probably could never had run a larger scale endgame LS.

If running a endgame ls was SO EASY I wonder why more didn't do it? Because counting attendance, points, scheduling, gathering and dealing with people takes PATIENCE and HARD WORK. And surprise, yes you have to explain strats sometimes! You lead an abyssea LS. LOL at that counting.

As for Aerith, as i said to GG, you're being delusional. THAT is work and requires patience and dedication. If it's so easy.. Why did so many starting their own endgame ls at 75 bomb? Because people dont have the time or patience to deal with running it.

Running a freakin abyssea LS does not really count... U dont need a LS for abyssea... Ugh.. Why is this so hard to understand that isn't really large scale ls content?

[abbazabba]

Relic and mythic trials are both terrible as long as they involve ADL and PW. In fact 20 kills would very quickly be just as bad or worse than 5-10 items. "Kills" means that 2 months down the road when everyone has their 99 relic anyone who missed the train is SoL. A Linkshell may be willing to set up runs to clear 10-12 people at a time but one guy who needs 20 kills is just as fucked as one person who need 20 items. At that point it's essentially the same trial.

I disagree. There will be people working on marrow for their afterglow that they can go with. And they can farm their own pw set and give away the non mythic items. pw items still sell although infrequently. although the title and atma are more sought after

[Insaniac]

You really believe 6 months and 300 ADL shout groups later people will be excited to go on these runs? I just don't see filling out the ranks with people who aren't working on relics being a reasonable task. Another thing to think about is how exclusive even the first round of trials will be. When you have 300 true DDs trying to get the trial done what do you think the chances of a PLD getting into the alliance are? THFs BSTs RNGs NINs ect are gonna be SoL when people have the option of filling their party with WARs DRKs and MNKs. It's not the worst option ever but it really does have flaws that will screw certain people over. We should be asking for something completely different. Something that works for everyone all the time.

[Nynja]

I don't know about most people. And what Abyssea did can be undone, which is shown by the amount of people happy about Legion. People simply went to lowman groups because the game allowed it. If the game requires larger numbers again, that's what's gonna happen.

legion rewards all participants all the time

[Nynja]

We should be asking for something completely different. Something that works for everyone all the time.

as i suggested, all arch mobs drop item at a quantity based on difficulty.
The teamup can zerg adl and get more marrows, the lowman can grind city arch mobs.
Winwin


@damane
Do what i did...cancel subs. Money talks, and if SE thinks this trial is reasonable, ill keep my money instead. Plain and simple.

[Greatguardian]

It's subjective. Running a shell is hard work to me and many others. You can disagree, that's cool. It's you opinion and I don't mean to be rude but honestly.. GIf you honestly think, running a larger scale, sccessful, active ls is so easy, then you should have no problem too be honest. But I already know you're frontin.

Running an abyssea group (or a linkshell as you would call it) doesn't in my opinion count as making and running a real linkshell. Sorry booboo. You don't know and probably could never had run a larger scale endgame LS.

If running a endgame ls was SO EASY I wonder why more didn't do it? Because counting attendance, points, scheduling, gathering and dealing with people takes PATIENCE and HARD WORK. And surprise, yes you have to explain strats sometimes! You lead an abyssea LS. LOL at that counting.

As for Aerith, as i said to GG, you're being delusional. THAT is work and requires patience and dedication. If it's so easy.. Why did so many starting their own endgame ls at 75 bomb? Because people dont have the time or patience to deal with running it.

Running a freakin abyssea LS does not really count... U dont need a LS for abyssea... Ugh.. Why is this so hard to understand that isn't really large scale ls content?

Lulz. You're really grasping for straws. I've never lead a linkshell for Abyssea. In fact, it's probably the only thing I haven't lead a linkshell for. Why would anyone need a linkshell for Abyssea?

You sound like someone who's used to dealing with some godawful members. Attendance is hard? Points are hard? Herp derp I can count to potato and put a number in a spreadsheet. Scheduling? Gathering? God forbid, job selection? Open notepad, it takes 2 minutes. Hell, back at 75 I was perfectly capable of saying "Make some parties and don't be stupid", and people would do it without any other instruction.

Try recruiting mature adults instead of teenagers and "adults" with the mentality of a high school girl sometime and you'll find that it's a night and day difference. Of course, it takes a good leader to attract real talent. Most linkshells fail because 1) Most of the good talent already has a home, 2) Most of FFXI's playerbase is woefully immature, and 3) Most leaders just aren't that good at it.

My rules were simple. I don't care who's screwing who, who dislikes who, or what you do in your free time. Don't give me a headache and don't let your girl's locker room drama interfere with my events and you're golden. Respect in = Respect out.

[Alerith]

As for Aerith, as i said to GG, you're being delusional. THAT is work and requires patience and dedication. If it's so easy.. Why did so many starting their own endgame ls at 75 bomb? Because people dont have the time or patience to deal with running it.

You're trying to argue completely different points. Just because you don't have time or patience for something doesn't mean it's hard work.

Let's use Dynamis as an example and cut it down to the basics. First of all, if you don't have time or patience, you shouldn't be doing Dynamis anyways.

Now, what must the leader do in an old school Dynamis shell? Let's assume he isn't being a good leader and delegating some tasks to his officers. Schedule, Points, Hourglass, Bank, Drop-list, Website, Attendance, deal with /tells and such.

This is all busy work. There is no required skill to manage any of this. And if he IS being a good leader, he'll have three or four officers managing some of those tasks so that it ISN'T so time consuming.

Busy work =/= Hard work

And the fundamentally, running an old school dynamis shell and an abyssea shell are the exact same. The content may not require a full LS, but if you're taking one in to do things for multiple people...you know, the exact purpose of an event LS...then you need to deal with the exact same things as a dynamis shell. Attendance, bank, points, blah blah blah.

Pulling a "lol abyssea doesn't count" argument is completely childish.

[SpankWustler]

This discussion is making me miss being in a large linkshell.

Particularly, it makes me miss nonchalantly attaching the most awesome Not-Safe-for-Work image that Google could provide me to every PM I ever sent. The leader who took bids for some items through PMs was admirably stoic throughout two forests worth of bears and a rest-home worth of elderly men who like other elderly men very much, but one choice photograph of Japanese nose bondage in action forced him to speak out.

"Bubble won some item that Bubble can't remember three years later, and also...You're banned from sending me images, Bubble. Send other people all the images you want, though."

The moral of this story is that caring only about efficiency and not getting involved when people do deranged stuff socially tends to reduce a leader's stress level many times over. Also, pictures of noses in bondage are creepier than pictures of naked old people.

Particularly that last bit. I do not recommend using Google Image Search to pursue the topic.

[Rampage]

The problem is you need a specific set-up to kill ADL. Shout for people who recently finished relics and you are going to get 3 BSTs 4 PLDs 2 THFs and 3 DRKs. Good luck getting the WHMs SMNs and CORs.

Edit: You know this is probably why SE thought that item trials would be a good idea. It frees people to go on whatever job they want so that finishing a 99 guttler or claustrum(lol) doesn't become impossible. I don't know how they couldn't have come up with a better way though. This just seems so incredibly lazy. They could have added a random drop item to normal dynamis mobs that you get around 20 of per run and need 500 of. There are so many better options. Timed dynamis NM kills or just a simple 1000 currency.

I see what you mean.
But hey lets think outside the box for a second. Gives us an ammo item that gets inscribed with the trial. The item is all jobs so youncan go whatever job you want for the fight. Get the kills on any job or combination of jobs and hand itin. Voila problem over.
It seems we could do it this way, and party setup would be no trouble at all.