Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Greatguardian]

Um.. one person at a time? Sure, the leader will go first, but the leader obviously does the most work and shoiuld have priority. This is not selfish, it's common sense.

Someone doing more work and has more history, should go first. That's fair. Why have we lost this mindset?

Sure people can ABUSE it, but not everyone is a douche.

What kind of 5 year olds do you babysit where the leader actually has to do more than say "Okay, here's the monster. Kill it."?

[Anewie]

What kind of 5 year olds do you babysit where the leader actually has to do more than say "Okay, here's the monster. Kill it."?

As usual, you're delusional if you think that's all there is to leading a LS.

But considering what type of shell you run/ran, I can level with you and laugh.

Leading and organizing events in a successful active linkshell amongst larger groups is much more than "here u go guyz! KILL THIS!".

Running a shell is hard work, and no one who was a leader or officer in any decent shell will disagree. That stuff can be very annoying.

[Greatguardian]

As usual, you're delusional if you think that's all there is to leading a LS.

But considering what type of shell you run/ran, I can level with you and laugh.

Leading and organizing events in a successful active linkshell amongst larger groups is much more than "here u go guyz! KILL THIS!".

Running a shell is hard work, and no one who was a leader or officer in any decent shell will disagree. That stuff can be very annoying.

The type of shells I run and ran? I'd like to know what internet detective Anewie thinks she knows about my linkshells, lulz.

Running a shell is only hard work if you let it become hard work. If you straddle along a bunch of retards who need everything explained to them in detail before every single event, then you should just /breaklinkshell and get new peeps. See, when you have a shell pull of intelligent, capable players who know what's up, you don't need to tell them much of anything. Everyone's already on the same page. Maybe you should try being in a shell with intelligent people for a change, you might learn something.

What? You think managing drops is super hard? Dealing with everyone's baw baw problems got you down? Not my problem. If your members can't conduct themselves like adults, and you can't handle them, then you just aren't cut out for leadership.

Leading in every shell I've ever run has always been a volunteer matter. It's a bit of extra work for no extra pay and if that's a problem people are always free to stop being a sack. No harm, no foul. Shit's just not that hard, boo.

[Anewie]

The type of shells I run and ran? I'd like to know what internet detective Anewie thinks she knows about my linkshells, lulz.

Running a shell is only hard work if you let it become hard work. If you straddle along a bunch of retards who need everything explained to them in detail before every single event, then you should just /breaklinkshell and get new peeps. See, when you have a shell pull of intelligent, capable players who know what's up, you don't need to tell them much of anything. Everyone's already on the same page. Maybe you should try being in a shell with intelligent people for a change, you might learn something.

What? You think managing drops is super hard? Dealing with everyone's baw baw problems got you down? Not my problem. If your members can't conduct themselves like adults, and you can't handle them, then you just aren't cut out for leadership.

Leading in every shell I've ever run has always been a volunteer matter. It's a bit of extra work for no extra pay and if that's a problem people are always free to stop being a sack. No harm, no foul. Shit's just not that hard, boo.

It's subjective. Running a shell is hard work to me and many others. You can disagree, that's cool. It's you opinion and I don't mean to be rude but honestly.. GIf you honestly think, running a larger scale, sccessful, active ls is so easy, then you should have no problem too be honest. But I already know you're frontin.

Running an abyssea group (or a linkshell as you would call it) doesn't in my opinion count as making and running a real linkshell. Sorry booboo. You don't know and probably could never had run a larger scale endgame LS.

If running a endgame ls was SO EASY I wonder why more didn't do it? Because counting attendance, points, scheduling, gathering and dealing with people takes PATIENCE and HARD WORK. And surprise, yes you have to explain strats sometimes! You lead an abyssea LS. LOL at that counting.

As for Aerith, as i said to GG, you're being delusional. THAT is work and requires patience and dedication. If it's so easy.. Why did so many starting their own endgame ls at 75 bomb? Because people dont have the time or patience to deal with running it.

Running a freakin abyssea LS does not really count... U dont need a LS for abyssea... Ugh.. Why is this so hard to understand that isn't really large scale ls content?

[Greatguardian]

It's subjective. Running a shell is hard work to me and many others. You can disagree, that's cool. It's you opinion and I don't mean to be rude but honestly.. GIf you honestly think, running a larger scale, sccessful, active ls is so easy, then you should have no problem too be honest. But I already know you're frontin.

Running an abyssea group (or a linkshell as you would call it) doesn't in my opinion count as making and running a real linkshell. Sorry booboo. You don't know and probably could never had run a larger scale endgame LS.

If running a endgame ls was SO EASY I wonder why more didn't do it? Because counting attendance, points, scheduling, gathering and dealing with people takes PATIENCE and HARD WORK. And surprise, yes you have to explain strats sometimes! You lead an abyssea LS. LOL at that counting.

As for Aerith, as i said to GG, you're being delusional. THAT is work and requires patience and dedication. If it's so easy.. Why did so many starting their own endgame ls at 75 bomb? Because people dont have the time or patience to deal with running it.

Running a freakin abyssea LS does not really count... U dont need a LS for abyssea... Ugh.. Why is this so hard to understand that isn't really large scale ls content?

Lulz. You're really grasping for straws. I've never lead a linkshell for Abyssea. In fact, it's probably the only thing I haven't lead a linkshell for. Why would anyone need a linkshell for Abyssea?

You sound like someone who's used to dealing with some godawful members. Attendance is hard? Points are hard? Herp derp I can count to potato and put a number in a spreadsheet. Scheduling? Gathering? God forbid, job selection? Open notepad, it takes 2 minutes. Hell, back at 75 I was perfectly capable of saying "Make some parties and don't be stupid", and people would do it without any other instruction.

Try recruiting mature adults instead of teenagers and "adults" with the mentality of a high school girl sometime and you'll find that it's a night and day difference. Of course, it takes a good leader to attract real talent. Most linkshells fail because 1) Most of the good talent already has a home, 2) Most of FFXI's playerbase is woefully immature, and 3) Most leaders just aren't that good at it.

My rules were simple. I don't care who's screwing who, who dislikes who, or what you do in your free time. Don't give me a headache and don't let your girl's locker room drama interfere with my events and you're golden. Respect in = Respect out.

[Anewie]

Lulz. You're really grasping for straws. I've never lead a linkshell for Abyssea. In fact, it's probably the only thing I haven't lead a linkshell for. Why would anyone need a linkshell for Abyssea?

You sound like someone who's used to dealing with some godawful members. Attendance is hard? Points are hard? Herp derp I can count to potato and put a number in a spreadsheet. Scheduling? Gathering? God forbid, job selection? Open notepad, it takes 2 minutes. Hell, back at 75 I was perfectly capable of saying "Make some parties and don't be stupid", and people would do it without any other instruction.

Try recruiting mature adults instead of teenagers and "adults" with the mentality of a high school girl sometime and you'll find that it's a night and day difference. Of course, it takes a good leader to attract real talent. Most linkshells fail because 1) Most of the good talent already has a home, 2) Most of FFXI's playerbase is woefully immature, and 3) Most leaders just aren't that good at it.

My rules were simple. I don't care who's screwing who, who dislikes who, or what you do in your free time. Don't give me a headache and don't let your girl's locker room drama interfere with my events and you're golden. Respect in = Respect out.

please GG.You are not folling nobody.

Lol at your "linkshell" counting as a large scale endgame ls. Aww honey, bless your heart1 (aka B**c, please)

Running a ls that did sky,sea,einherjar,various hnms,dynamis 5 days a week. Yeas that took work and patience and im sure leaders of the legendary endgame shells back at 75 would agree.

It makes much more sense when you know who GG was before abyssea. Lolz. W.e im done arguing with u. Ur ls was so amazing gg! And it was SO EASY to lead too.

Because ACLARITY AND WINGSOFVANADIEL were SO AMAZING, SO PROACTIVE, SO ELITE! right GG?
AMIRITE? Lol, bless ur heart booboo

edit: yeah most ls leaders have IT EASY! AND THEYRE NOT EVEN ANY GOOD. gtfo. Its an embarrasment to the hard working shellleaders who did well by their members w.o taking advantage of them. U go around spouting bs about how easy their jobs were and how theyre still not any good. I could hav been the most hated player in xi, but at least im not a joke player kidding myself into the thought that i was so amazing and leading was so easy. dude ur ls was never that good, u were never that good and that hasnt changed since abyssea. its just no one cares how good u are now and u can sit down trying to front. ur ls was never large scale and you know it. so stop lyin.

[Alerith]

please GG.You are not folling nobody.

Lol at your "linkshell" counting as a large scale endgame ls. Aww honey, bless your heart1 (aka B**c, please)

Running a ls that did sky,sea,einherjar,various hnms,dynamis 5 days a week. Yeas that took work and patience and im sure leaders of the legendary endgame shells back at 75 would agree.

It makes much more sense when you know who GG was before abyssea. Lolz. W.e im done arguing with u. Ur ls was so amazing gg! And it was SO EASY to lead too.

Because ACLARITY AND WINGSOFVANADIEL were SO AMAZING, SO PROACTIVE, SO ELITE! right GG?
AMIRITE? Lol, bless ur heart booboo

edit: yeah most ls leaders have IT EASY! AND THEYRE NOT EVEN ANY GOOD. gtfo. Its an embarrasment to the hard working shellleaders who did well by their members w.o taking advantage of them. U go around spouting bs about how easy their jobs were and how theyre still not any good. I could hav been the most hated player in xi, but at least im not a joke player kidding myself into the thought that i was so amazing and leading was so easy. dude ur ls was never that good, u were never that good and that hasnt changed since abyssea. its just no one cares how good u are now and u can sit down trying to front. ur ls was never large scale and you know it. so stop lyin.

This is one of the most pathetic and childish posts I have seen in such an argument. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

And no good leader from back in the day is going to say it was hard. What they are going to say is that they had a good group of officers to help manage the shell.

It's only hard if you're incapable, incompetent, or both.

[Greatguardian]

please GG.You are not folling nobody.

Lol at your "linkshell" counting as a large scale endgame ls. Aww honey, bless your heart1 (aka B**c, please)

Running a ls that did sky,sea,einherjar,various hnms,dynamis 5 days a week. Yeas that took work and patience and im sure leaders of the legendary endgame shells back at 75 would agree.

It makes much more sense when you know who GG was before abyssea. Lolz. W.e im done arguing with u. Ur ls was so amazing gg! And it was SO EASY to lead too.

Because ACLARITY AND WINGSOFVANADIEL were SO AMAZING, SO PROACTIVE, SO ELITE! right GG?
AMIRITE? Lol, bless ur heart booboo

edit: yeah most ls leaders have IT EASY! AND THEYRE NOT EVEN ANY GOOD. gtfo. Its an embarrasment to the hard working shellleaders who did well by their members w.o taking advantage of them. U go around spouting bs about how easy their jobs were and how theyre still not any good. I could hav been the most hated player in xi, but at least im not a joke player kidding myself into the thought that i was so amazing and leading was so easy. dude ur ls was never that good, u were never that good and that hasnt changed since abyssea. its just no one cares how good u are now and u can sit down trying to front. ur ls was never large scale and you know it. so stop lyin.

lol wat. Wings was always a social shell that I took over after a friend quit. Or does ElectricMayhem not count now? Probably not, considering it did, you know, everything that you mentioned.

I don't need to front. The endgame scene on my server knows me. They've known me for a long time. You're just some piss-poor leader who feels the need to shove her self-pity on everyone else and demand priority on crap because "leading's hard work, guys".

Yeah, right. The FFXI population figured that scheme out years ago. Leaders in a competent shell don't innately deserve jack shit. Praise? Sure. Props? Sure. Respect? Sure. Higher pay? Naw, son.

[Alerith]

As for Aerith, as i said to GG, you're being delusional. THAT is work and requires patience and dedication. If it's so easy.. Why did so many starting their own endgame ls at 75 bomb? Because people dont have the time or patience to deal with running it.

You're trying to argue completely different points. Just because you don't have time or patience for something doesn't mean it's hard work.

Let's use Dynamis as an example and cut it down to the basics. First of all, if you don't have time or patience, you shouldn't be doing Dynamis anyways.

Now, what must the leader do in an old school Dynamis shell? Let's assume he isn't being a good leader and delegating some tasks to his officers. Schedule, Points, Hourglass, Bank, Drop-list, Website, Attendance, deal with /tells and such.

This is all busy work. There is no required skill to manage any of this. And if he IS being a good leader, he'll have three or four officers managing some of those tasks so that it ISN'T so time consuming.

Busy work =/= Hard work

And the fundamentally, running an old school dynamis shell and an abyssea shell are the exact same. The content may not require a full LS, but if you're taking one in to do things for multiple people...you know, the exact purpose of an event LS...then you need to deal with the exact same things as a dynamis shell. Attendance, bank, points, blah blah blah.

Pulling a "lol abyssea doesn't count" argument is completely childish.

[Damane]

As usual, you're delusional if you think that's all there is to leading a LS.

But considering what type of shell you run/ran, I can level with you and laugh.

Leading and organizing events in a successful active linkshell amongst larger groups is much more than "here u go guyz! KILL THIS!".

Running a shell is hard work, and no one who was a leader or officer in any decent shell will disagree. That stuff can be very annoying.

This purely depends on the Shell-Members you have.

Back on topic, even after 2 days this Trial still sucks hardcore in my eyes. /sigh I would like to have a DEV-Punching bag, but thats just me.