Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Zumi]

People in here talk like no one plays in a LS anymore. Granted, the balance has shifted towards lowman content, but is seriously no one of you in a LS that would be willing to help their own relic owners with ADL?

Most people do not have a huge linkshell filled with people that would be willing to undertake something like 20 ADL kills. Abyssea basically turned FFXI into a game where you do stuff with 2 or 3 people.

[Prothscar]

The playerbase turned FFXI into a game where you only do things with 2-3 people. These people are either too scared, too lazy, or too stupid to go back to doing things properly however, and now complain when content is released that actually requires other people to complete.

Relic 99 should by no means require 20 ADL kills, but there's nothing wrong with it requiring a group as long as it's within the realms of reason and doesn't end up costing that group millions of gil in the long term.

[Arcon]

As has been pointed out...you can pop only 1 ADL per run, and with the random nature of the fight, you will have a 75% killrate. It will take a month to clear out one persons relic.

What happens when u have 12 relics in your ls? Spend a year upgading everyones relic to 99? Remember this is dynamis time lost where ppl may be trying to upgrade their own relics, farm currency for gil, farm AF to upgrade...etc

I was talking about killshots right now, since that seems where this conversation was headed. I agree that it's ridiculous with the current trials. But I think if it was done with killshots, 20 would not be too much to ask.

Most people do not have a huge linkshell filled with people that would be willing to undertake something like 20 ADL kills. Abyssea basically turned FFXI into a game where you do stuff with 2 or 3 people.

I don't know about most people. And what Abyssea did can be undone, which is shown by the amount of people happy about Legion. People simply went to lowman groups because the game allowed it. If the game requires larger numbers again, that's what's gonna happen.

[Zumi]

For large scale events like VW you take those 2 or 3 friends and just shout in port jeuno to fill out the rest of the people. Now that won't work for ADL drops because only 1 person would be getting benefit. Which is why the 99 trials are not good.

[Raksha]

For large scale events like VW you take those 2 or 3 friends and just shout in port jeuno to fill out the rest of the people.

Or you go with your LS and don't have to worry about gimps.

Works both ways.

[Greatguardian]

Um.. one person at a time? Sure, the leader will go first, but the leader obviously does the most work and shoiuld have priority. This is not selfish, it's common sense.

Someone doing more work and has more history, should go first. That's fair. Why have we lost this mindset?

Sure people can ABUSE it, but not everyone is a douche.

What kind of 5 year olds do you babysit where the leader actually has to do more than say "Okay, here's the monster. Kill it."?

[wish12oz]

This still doesn't change the fact that you will need a lot of non relic members in these groups. WHMs CORs BRDs and at least 3 SMNs. All pretty unlikely to have a relic that needs upgrading. You also wont be able to go in with more than 1-2 leech DDs like BSTs and THFs. Kill trials on a demanding fight don't work.

Why would you look for people to play the jobs your mule/mules does/do? Even if you don't have mules, and no one in your alliance of relic holders has mules, you act like it would be difficult to shout and get those people by offering them, and only them, lotting rights on all drops. Those items for the glowy trial would probably be worth a few mil still, and some of the drops from the other NMs aren't cheap either. Plus you can get 100's.

[Zumi]

Or you go with your LS and don't have to worry about gimps.

Works both ways.

I have to disagree. Got up to tier T6 jeuno all with pick up groups pretty much. Anyone who plays this still pretty much has abyssea gear since its so easy to get. These mobs aren't hard at all and take very little coordination. FFXI is just easy all around.

Like I said most people don't have some large linkshell to do stuff with because so many people quit the game and really only have a few people left. Which really only leads to shouting for people. Add that doesn't work if only 1 person is getting benefit since the get drops from ADL isn't something 18 people can team up on unlike VW.

[Insaniac]

Yes people will finish it. No a majority will not. It isn't impossible like stage2 but it's certainly not reasonable. Group effort is fine for group payout. Group effort for the benefit of 1 person is not.

This is a trial to finish a weapon that people already busted ass for. It's not a full weapon. It's 1 of 13 god damned stages of a weapon. A low-mannable trial that takes a few days to finish is absolutely fine. The work has already been put in. These trials are just to keep them at the top and should reflect that. Anything to do with 18 man content and 100s of man hours should have never even seen the light of day.

[Anewie]

What kind of 5 year olds do you babysit where the leader actually has to do more than say "Okay, here's the monster. Kill it."?

As usual, you're delusional if you think that's all there is to leading a LS.

But considering what type of shell you run/ran, I can level with you and laugh.

Leading and organizing events in a successful active linkshell amongst larger groups is much more than "here u go guyz! KILL THIS!".

Running a shell is hard work, and no one who was a leader or officer in any decent shell will disagree. That stuff can be very annoying.