Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Raksha]

This is a wrong, horrible post... You realize that Umbral Marrow (if it is sold) is probably going to be selling for 10-20 MILLION gil EACH, possibly even more?

Oh sure, that doesn't seem all that bad.

If you haven't fought Arch DL, seen Arch DL be fought, or don't understand the premise behind fighting Arch DL, then please, don't post your thoughts about how you feel this trial "doesn't seem all that bad," because you don't have a clue.

And for clarification, we mean "Kills" as in everyone with a relic would be receiving credit for the "Kill." I know people are intending for "Killshot" to mean the same thing, but I kinda feel like "Killshot" sort of implies killing something with just one weapon, or with a weaponskill, and I don't want SE or the Dev. Team to get the wrong idea... (inb4 20 ADL Killshots with Mercy Stroke!) >.<

Presume much? I've wiped to Arch Dynamis Lord a total of 3 times (pre-99-cap). I realize how retarded the fight is.

People thought 1500 plates was retarded too.

What's a relic cost these days anyway? 150M+?

So 150M sounds reasonable but 550M doesn't?

Anyway, I think the requirement should be lowered.

I still think the HMP requirements should be lowered.

Doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

P.S. i'm checking out before I start a flame war. SE should lower the requirements, we can all agree to that.

[Sargent]

The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them.

20 Umbral Marrow's for a single Relic to 99 is still ridiculous, considering how much of a gamble Arch Dynamis Lord is said to be. This definatly needs lowering. The same with Mulcibar's Scolar, it's much easier to get a Pandemonium Warden pop now but that said it's still a lot of effort to go into a single weapon, and thats the issue at hand. Kills with the weapon equipped for Relics and Mythics would tie in more with SE's original statement.
The Empryean 99 trial isn't as bad as people were expecting.

[Karbuncle]

@ Karbuncle Do you think they might do the multiple ??? in the case of this release, perhaps?

Since I'm already going be eating forum Molatav cocktails I may as well say that I think the logic behind it throw everyone into a situation that makes teamwork necessary, even if its going to put them at each others throats. It's the same mechanics we ran into back in HNM days and sadly( and joyously for teamwork) it's being pulled in that direction.

Also, since it looks like we're going to be stuck with item gathering isn't it better to accept a reduction in number while SE is being 'generous'?? Everything is still temporary, lest we forget, and I doubt they'll change things to kill trials when the items for collection are already in game.

BTW ... I like Nynja's idea. I like it a LOT. If that is what we must be stuck with....

Even if they add 2-3 ???'s for Arch Dynamis Lord, Have you ever even fought it? You can do that fight perfectly and still lose because it comes down to -dumb luck-.

Getting 20 of an Item from a mob that is truly just dumb-luck to win, and needing at least ~17 other people to help you do it if you want any room for error (Who will likely all have relics too, Why else do it?) is nothing short of unreasonable.

If the NM wasn't just dumb luck, I'd have no issues with it. It shouldn't even be killshots, the NM is bullcrap.

I wouldn't care if they made it "Earn 50,000 exp In Dynamis" or something similar to the Relic+2 Trials. Just not a "Free-for-all Frenzy of Relic Holders mass-lotting against eachother for 1 item from a Dumb-Luck NM".

Or, As suggested other places.

Make it to where you have to kill Every "Arch" Dynamis boss once.
Or as Nynja said, Have them drop it in larger quantities based on difficulty.

The idea should be promote Teamwork amongst Relic Holders, Not competition. No one wants the damn Drama or "17 people farming for 1 guy" days back.

So 150M sounds reasonable but 550M doesn't?

You're right >_> 400 Million gil makes no difference at all.

[Creelo]

Presume much? I've wiped to Arch Dynamis Lord a total of 3 times (pre-99-cap). I realize how retarded the fight is.

People thought 1500 plates was retarded too.

What's a relic cost these days anyway? 150M+?

So 150M sounds reasonable but 550M doesn't?

Anyway, I think the requirement should be lowered.

I still think the HMP requirements should be lowered.

Doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

P.S. i'm checking out before I start a flame war. SE should lower the requirements, we can all agree to that.

Hun, you're contradicting yourself.

And since when was 150mil or especially 550mil ever reasonable? Not everyone buys their relics lol

[Geabrielle]

Arch-Dyna lord reminds me of DL back when you needed 2 alliances to beat him. So I agree with you there, completely. Where we differ is that the item already exists, which negates the possibility of ever getting it shifted to a kill trial, OR if it does, the extra glowey trial will need the item instead and the hardcore achievement people will still gripe and complain. I'm willing to accept a lower number as a compromise which is honestly the best we're going to get so may as well as well plug for a greater range of NMs to drop said items in quantities relative to difficulty.

Otherwise we'll get stuck with "Gain 50k exp in Dynamis, Kill ADL 50 times AND gather 20 items..." Don't give them that excuse .... please!!

[Helel]

quoting so it doesnt get lost.

Yeah this was the best suggestion so far. Quoting again!

To quell the rage, they're going to have to either:
a-Make it kills, not item turn-in
b-make Umbral Marrow / Mulcibar's Scoria drop from additional sources based on difficulty:
Arch Dynamis City boss: 1 Marrow
Arch Mainyu / Arch CC/Antaeus/AB: 3 marrow
Arch Diabolos: 5 marrow
Arch DL: 8 marrow

Tinnin/Sarameya/Khimaira(I forget the name haha): 1 Mulcibar
PW: 5 Mulcibar

[SpankWustler]

And since when was 150mil or especially 550mil ever reasonable? Not everyone buys their relics lol

Choosing to spend the currency on a relic over selling that currency has the same effect as buying the currency. You're down a certain amount of currency and you have a relic. Opportunity cost and such.

I think that kills would be way better than farming items for the first trials, but gil cost is a pretty accurate way to gauge this stuff.

Speaking of gil cost, I have to wonder if these items will sell for more than 20 million on a few servers. There's bound to be some guy out with a bazillion gil saved up who is willing to pay 30 million each for the 1000 items to make his afterglow weapon. Someone "dedicated" enough to realistically complete the Final Trial of Lonesome Sadness probably has tons of gil on his characters already.

I say "he" because while it's entirely possible a woman will undertake these trials, imagining such a woman would render me no longer abler to function as a heterosexual male.

[Arkanethered]

I don't have a huge network of friends that I would want to press into farming me ADL... Sorry folks, but I don't want to ask them to make that sacrifice just for me.... As much as I enjoyed the days of HNM competition. I have enjoyed teaming up with other Relic Holders in completing trials... I don't want to compete against people for drops on this.

Square Enix... This is stupid.

[Insaniac]

ADL and PW need to be abandoned entirely as a part of this trial. 18 man content for the benefit of 1 person is dead. Even if changed to kills anyone not involved in the initial wave of kills is ABSO-F*CKED when they need them done. That includes any weapons not yet completed and anyone on break who is returning to the game.

These 2 NMs offer nothing to entice anyone not working on a trial to kill them. They are not reasonable trial targets.

People are making the mistake of trying to talk down an already insane price to a lower price that is still insane. Demand trials that have nothing to do with these otherwise worthless NMs.

[Arkanethered]

If they continue with this... Marrows should be added to NQ DL's pool.