Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Geabrielle]

@ Karbuncle Do you think they might do the multiple ??? in the case of this release, perhaps?

Since I'm already going be eating forum Molatav cocktails I may as well say that I think the logic behind it throw everyone into a situation that makes teamwork necessary, even if its going to put them at each others throats. It's the same mechanics we ran into back in HNM days and sadly( and joyously for teamwork) it's being pulled in that direction.

Also, since it looks like we're going to be stuck with item gathering isn't it better to accept a reduction in number while SE is being 'generous'?? Everything is still temporary, lest we forget, and I doubt they'll change things to kill trials when the items for collection are already in game.

BTW ... I like Nynja's idea. I like it a LOT. If that is what we must be stuck with....

[Karbuncle]

@ Karbuncle Do you think they might do the multiple ??? in the case of this release, perhaps?

Since I'm already going be eating forum Molatav cocktails I may as well say that I think the logic behind it throw everyone into a situation that makes teamwork necessary, even if its going to put them at each others throats. It's the same mechanics we ran into back in HNM days and sadly( and joyously for teamwork) it's being pulled in that direction.

Also, since it looks like we're going to be stuck with item gathering isn't it better to accept a reduction in number while SE is being 'generous'?? Everything is still temporary, lest we forget, and I doubt they'll change things to kill trials when the items for collection are already in game.

BTW ... I like Nynja's idea. I like it a LOT. If that is what we must be stuck with....

Even if they add 2-3 ???'s for Arch Dynamis Lord, Have you ever even fought it? You can do that fight perfectly and still lose because it comes down to -dumb luck-.

Getting 20 of an Item from a mob that is truly just dumb-luck to win, and needing at least ~17 other people to help you do it if you want any room for error (Who will likely all have relics too, Why else do it?) is nothing short of unreasonable.

If the NM wasn't just dumb luck, I'd have no issues with it. It shouldn't even be killshots, the NM is bullcrap.

I wouldn't care if they made it "Earn 50,000 exp In Dynamis" or something similar to the Relic+2 Trials. Just not a "Free-for-all Frenzy of Relic Holders mass-lotting against eachother for 1 item from a Dumb-Luck NM".

Or, As suggested other places.

Make it to where you have to kill Every "Arch" Dynamis boss once.
Or as Nynja said, Have them drop it in larger quantities based on difficulty.

The idea should be promote Teamwork amongst Relic Holders, Not competition. No one wants the damn Drama or "17 people farming for 1 guy" days back.

So 150M sounds reasonable but 550M doesn't?

You're right >_> 400 Million gil makes no difference at all.