Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Raksha]

Why not just buy the DL items?

I mean really, it doesn't seem all that bad.

If you changed it to killshot requirements then you'd have alliances with like 12 aegis PLD and 6 dual boxed whms.

Good luck killing arch DL with that

[Nynja]

Why not just buy the DL items?

I mean really, it doesn't seem all that bad.

If you changed it to killshot requirements then you'd have alliances with like 12 aegis PLD and 6 dual boxed whms.

Good luck killing arch DL with that

Let me know whens the last time you found Umbral items for sale...

[Raksha]

Let me know whens the last time you found Umbral items for sale...

I'm sure you can find someone to merc you some.

And besides, when they start selling for 10M+ each i'm sure the supply will increase

[Insaniac]

Why not just buy the DL items?

I mean really, it doesn't seem all that bad.

If you changed it to killshot requirements then you'd have alliances with like 12 aegis PLD and 6 dual boxed whms.

Good luck killing arch DL with that

You really think people will sell them? There is no other reason to do ADL. No one is spamming ADL for sagasingers. People who kill ADL will be killing it for the upgrade item in other words no one will ever sell them. Considering you need 18~ people to kill ADL and 1 person can make an easy mil+ in their own solo dynamis run no one will do this for gil unless they can sell them for 20mil each.

[Creelo]

Why not just buy the DL items?

I mean really, it doesn't seem all that bad.

If you changed it to killshot requirements then you'd have alliances with like 12 aegis PLD and 6 dual boxed whms.

Good luck killing arch DL with that

This is a wrong, horrible post... You realize that Umbral Marrow (if it is sold) is probably going to be selling for 10-20 MILLION gil EACH, possibly even more?

Oh sure, that doesn't seem all that bad.

If you haven't fought Arch DL, seen Arch DL be fought, or don't understand the premise behind fighting Arch DL, then please, don't post your thoughts about how you feel this trial "doesn't seem all that bad," because you don't have a clue.

And for clarification, we mean "Kills" as in everyone with a relic would be receiving credit for the "Kill." I know people are intending for "Killshot" to mean the same thing, but I kinda feel like "Killshot" sort of implies killing something with just one weapon, or with a weaponskill, and I don't want SE or the Dev. Team to get the wrong idea... (inb4 20 ADL Killshots with Mercy Stroke!) >.<

[Raksha]

This is a wrong, horrible post... You realize that Umbral Marrow (if it is sold) is probably going to be selling for 10-20 MILLION gil EACH, possibly even more?

Oh sure, that doesn't seem all that bad.

If you haven't fought Arch DL, seen Arch DL be fought, or don't understand the premise behind fighting Arch DL, then please, don't post your thoughts about how you feel this trial "doesn't seem all that bad," because you don't have a clue.

And for clarification, we mean "Kills" as in everyone with a relic would be receiving credit for the "Kill." I know people are intending for "Killshot" to mean the same thing, but I kinda feel like "Killshot" sort of implies killing something with just one weapon, or with a weaponskill, and I don't want SE or the Dev. Team to get the wrong idea... (inb4 20 ADL Killshots with Mercy Stroke!) >.<

Presume much? I've wiped to Arch Dynamis Lord a total of 3 times (pre-99-cap). I realize how retarded the fight is.

People thought 1500 plates was retarded too.

What's a relic cost these days anyway? 150M+?

So 150M sounds reasonable but 550M doesn't?

Anyway, I think the requirement should be lowered.

I still think the HMP requirements should be lowered.

Doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

P.S. i'm checking out before I start a flame war. SE should lower the requirements, we can all agree to that.

[Creelo]

Presume much? I've wiped to Arch Dynamis Lord a total of 3 times (pre-99-cap). I realize how retarded the fight is.

People thought 1500 plates was retarded too.

What's a relic cost these days anyway? 150M+?

So 150M sounds reasonable but 550M doesn't?

Anyway, I think the requirement should be lowered.

I still think the HMP requirements should be lowered.

Doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

P.S. i'm checking out before I start a flame war. SE should lower the requirements, we can all agree to that.

Hun, you're contradicting yourself.

And since when was 150mil or especially 550mil ever reasonable? Not everyone buys their relics lol

[SpankWustler]

And since when was 150mil or especially 550mil ever reasonable? Not everyone buys their relics lol

Choosing to spend the currency on a relic over selling that currency has the same effect as buying the currency. You're down a certain amount of currency and you have a relic. Opportunity cost and such.

I think that kills would be way better than farming items for the first trials, but gil cost is a pretty accurate way to gauge this stuff.

Speaking of gil cost, I have to wonder if these items will sell for more than 20 million on a few servers. There's bound to be some guy out with a bazillion gil saved up who is willing to pay 30 million each for the 1000 items to make his afterglow weapon. Someone "dedicated" enough to realistically complete the Final Trial of Lonesome Sadness probably has tons of gil on his characters already.

I say "he" because while it's entirely possible a woman will undertake these trials, imagining such a woman would render me no longer abler to function as a heterosexual male.

[Creelo]

Choosing to spend the currency on a relic over selling that currency has the same effect as buying the currency. You're down a certain amount of currency and you have a relic. Opportunity cost and such.

Yes, I understand what you're saying; however, that still doesn't take away from the fact that not everyone buys their relic lol, I'll explain what I mean.

You can do Dynamis everyday, save the currency you get and effectively be "spending" your gil through opportunity cost as you're saying. This can easily get you a Relic if your patient enough. But not everyone does this; some people may go through other types of making gil: Cruor burning, Merc'in, Salvage -> Alexandrite selling, etc, in addition to doing daily Dynamis. When I refer to people who "buy" relics, it's generally these people that are simply really into making gil that I'm refering to, which I don't have a problem with.

The problem I have is when people say shit like...

What's a relic cost these days anyway? 150M+?

So 150M sounds reasonable but 550M doesn't?

Sure, I may have spent 150mil on a relic through opportunity cost, but does that mean I want to be spending an additional 400mil (20mil~ x20) or have the funds (or the drive x.x) to readily be able to do so after I put in what I feel is enough work?

No. Just because a relic may be worth 150mil~ in opportunity cost doesn't mean the player that owns it is busting at the seams with gil, ready to spend over twice as much as they did on the 75 weapon for the Stage 1 99 version.

What's the difference between 150mil and 550mil? 400mil (Derr), which could roughly translate into almost 3 more relics for my friends. :/

Fuck this, give me the Mythic Trial; at least I don't have to drag my friends to hell for all of it and can suffer in solitude as I take pictures on my own time of Sanraku's latest fetish.

[Mahoro]

If they lifted the once a day restriction on Dynamis, I could ALMOST see this as being possible. As it stands, this is going to be painstaking. The frequency of Dynamis Arch Boss events have tanked in my own LS because people use their time to farm currency/gil and lock themselves out when event time comes. Funny enough though, these are the same members who have all of a sudden expressed interest in Arch Boss events again, so I might use the opportunity to get members those last few Avesta Bangles/Oneiros Grips we needed. o-O

Also, people actually do want the glowy sword from ADL, even though drop rate is crappy. Then again, VW drop rate is crappy, although admittedly you can spam that.