Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Unctgtg]

I would rather have 10000 kill shots.

[detlef]

There is no way in this day and age that I can drag a dozen or more people to do Arch-DL just for me. Imagine linkshells with dozens of relics. How much of an effort will it take to be fair to all participants?

As many have suggested, either take the number of drops down DRASTICALLY (and I mean maybe 2-3 at most) or change it from drops to kills.

This goes for PW too.

[Greatguardian]

I would rather have 10000 kill shots.

NO. DO NOT EVEN JOKE ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE WILL TAKE IT SERIOUSLY AND WHEN THEY DO THE WHOLE FFXI POPULATION IS GOING TO KNOW THAT IT WAS YOUR FAULT.

[Brolic]

Greetings.

I have some additional information on enhancements to relic weapons, mythic weapons, and empyrean weapons.

The other day we announced that there would be two stages for enhancing these weapons via Trial of the Magians. During this week’s test server update we will be implementing these weapons as well adding the associated trials.

The items required to enhance the weapons are as listed below; however, the amount required is still being tested and adjusted so note that what is listed below is only temporary.

Also, along with the addition of the trials, we will be increasing the amount of zeni you receive when trading soulplates to the ZNM NPC Sanraku.

※There have been no changes to the previously announced adjustment plans.

Could the disconnect between developers and players be any larger? they clearly know fuck all about the player base?

[Washburn]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LancerLeon]

@Camate Any way the Dev team can seriously make the trial for NQ upgrade just kills? They talk so much about how Voidwatch shouldn't be giving one person all the items and that they prefer to have there own box and then they turn right around and decide that you should give one person all the items in order to achieve 1 weapon.

Well anyways as an LS leader "The Dev Team" making my job insanely hard. Just about everyone in my LS has a relic these days and getting 20 per person is gonna take over years to achieve. Dyna itself is gonna be rough because everyone is not wanna go in to farm for 1 person for almost 3 weeks straight plus I'm gonna have to deal with people crying because we're not doing their 99 Relic weapon. It would be much easier to handle if kills were the final 99 Trail for the weapon.

As for Mythic's I absolutely hate the idea of farming up 10 PW's per person. That's still 20 PW's (since we have Ryunohige and Burtang) which still aren't easy to farm up can't even do 1 a day if we tried.

For Empy's I can't speak much since VW is always being done and is easily accessible to everyone with Conquest, Imperial Standing, and Allied Notes all being usable to obtain more Void Dust for Void Stones. Still though having kills for Empy weapons would be nice since drop rate for upgrade items is random.

[Unleashhell]

Stage 1
Possible upgrades will include damage,delay, and weapon skill damage along with other attributes.
The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them.
*This content is not yet available on the test server.

Just curious, were there any delay changes on any of the weapons? Has anyone noticed any? Maybe it will be a last minute thing?

[Atoreis]

60 Riftdross/cinder are really fine.
you can buy then and you should have gils for it if you have 95 empy.

10PW items is imo completely ok too since you can get more Zeni and there is not much mythics out there so its easier to actually divide supply for those who need it.

20ADL items is completely insane tho. There is MUCH too many relics out there and going to ADL involve loosing dynamis entry while going for PW involve just some time loss.

[Insaniac]

I can't believe after so many years I still haven't learned not to get my hopes up. There are so many glaring problems with these trials for relics and mythics.

Having both stage 1 and 2 trials require the same items is a very bad idea. How could anyone ever be expected to even start on stage 2 trials when 2 years later people are still collecting the same items to finish their stage 1?

Using item trials from NMs that require 18+ people to kill and produce, as far as we know, only one of those items, creates an unreasonable bottleneck even if the trials are reduced to 3-5 items. In their current state they are absolute lunacy. My LS for example would need to kill ADL 400+ times to finish our relics with the current requirement of 20 and even if lowered to 5 we would still need to kill him 100 times. By the time we are done with those there would be 5-10 new relics to complete

You may be holding on to the idea that people will form PUGs to finish these trials. You are 100% wrong. There is no desire to kill these NMs. Their drops are mostly useless. No one kills them now because they are outdated or have been pointless from day 1. Please don't assume that because 18 people that you play to test and develop your game are able to make these kills happen in a controlled setting that any single player would ever be able to put together a shout group for PW or ADL.

Basically, Stage 1 NEEDS to be changed to a kill trial and it would preferably be something that small groups of people could accomplish and it needs to be from content that people actually want to participate in. Old CoP zone boss kills or kills of timed NMs in xarcabard for relics. Odin kills or specific ZNMs for Mythics. You could even set it up like the first stages of empyreans where you are required to complete several smaller trials.

Kill ??? city NM 4 times > Kill ??? CoP NM 4 times > Kill ??? Xarc #1 NM 6 times > Kill ??? Xarc #2 NM 6 times.

That is a reasonable trial. These item trials will not accomplish the goal you set of "A majority of PCs finishing". Less than half, possibly far less than half, of relics and mythics will ever see 99 even if you lower the requirements.

[cidbahamut]

Just curious, were there any delay changes on any of the weapons? Has anyone noticed any? Maybe it will be a last minute thing?

Relic upgrades: now with more ruined x-hit builds?