Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Camate]

Greetings.

I have some additional information on enhancements to relic weapons, mythic weapons, and empyrean weapons.

The other day we announced that there would be two stages for enhancing these weapons via Trial of the Magians. During this week’s test server update we will be implementing these weapons as well adding the associated trials.

The items required to enhance the weapons are as listed below; however, the amount required is still being tested and adjusted so note that what is listed below is only temporary.

Also, along with the addition of the trials, we will be increasing the amount of zeni you receive when trading soulplates to the ZNM NPC Sanraku.

※There have been no changes to the previously announced adjustment plans.

• Stage 1
  Possible upgrades will include damage, delay, and weapon skill damage along with other attributes.
  The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them.
  *This content is not yet available on the test server.
  　
• Stage 2
  Possible upgrades will include special animations along with "Afterglow" effects that grant status benefits to party members.
  The corresponding Magian trials will be exceedingly difficult to complete, such that only a select number of PCs will be able to upgrade weapons to this stage. *Gjallarhorn and Daurdabla may not be imbued with Afterglow effects.

• Stage 1　※The number of items required for upgrade is temporary.
  

  Weapon Classification	Trial Information
  Relic Weapons	Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. Objective: 20 Umbral Marrow
  Mythic Weapons	Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. Objective: 10 Mulcibar’s Scoria
  Verethragna/Almace/Farsha/Redemption/Rhongomiant/Masamune/Gandiva/Daurdabla	Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. Objective: 60 Riftcinder
  Twashtar/Caladbolg/Ukonvasara/Kannagi/Gambanteinn/Hvergelmir/Armageddon/Ochain	Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. Objective: 60 Riftdross

• Stage 2　※The number of items required for upgrade is temporary.
  

  Weapon Classification	Trial Information
  Relic Weapons	Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. Objective: 1,000 Umbral Marrow
  Mythic Weapons	Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. Objective: 500 Mulcibar’s Scoria
  Verethragna/Almace/Farsha/Redemption/Rhongomiant/Masamune/Gandiva/Daurdabla	Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. Objective: 3,000 Riftcinder
  Twashtar/Caladbolg/Ukonvasara/Kannagi/Gambanteinn/Hvergelmir/Armageddon/Ochain	Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. Objective: 3,000 Riftdross

[Brolic]

Greetings.

I have some additional information on enhancements to relic weapons, mythic weapons, and empyrean weapons.

The other day we announced that there would be two stages for enhancing these weapons via Trial of the Magians. During this week’s test server update we will be implementing these weapons as well adding the associated trials.

The items required to enhance the weapons are as listed below; however, the amount required is still being tested and adjusted so note that what is listed below is only temporary.

Also, along with the addition of the trials, we will be increasing the amount of zeni you receive when trading soulplates to the ZNM NPC Sanraku.

※There have been no changes to the previously announced adjustment plans.

Could the disconnect between developers and players be any larger? they clearly know fuck all about the player base?

[Unleashhell]

Stage 1
Possible upgrades will include damage,delay, and weapon skill damage along with other attributes.
The planned difficulty level for the corresponding Magian upgrade trials will be such that a majority of players with the appropriate level 95 equipment will likely be able to complete them.
*This content is not yet available on the test server.

Just curious, were there any delay changes on any of the weapons? Has anyone noticed any? Maybe it will be a last minute thing?

[cidbahamut]

Just curious, were there any delay changes on any of the weapons? Has anyone noticed any? Maybe it will be a last minute thing?

Relic upgrades: now with more ruined x-hit builds?

[abbazabba]

Also, along with the addition of the trials, we will be increasing the amount of zeni you receive when trading soulplates to the ZNM NPC Sanraku.

Will you also remove the 10 plates a day limit? you must either allow us to get enough zeni for atleast a t1 and a t2 so we have something to do for the one hour we have to wait or you have to remove the limit. I don't feel you will allow us to get 300 per plate. So I would prefer the cap was removed.

• Stage 1　※The number of items required for upgrade is temporary.
  <table width="580" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" class="ta01"><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="th01"><td width="50%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Weapon Classification</td><td width="50%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7">Trial Information</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Relic Weapons</td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item.<br>Objective: 20 Umbral Marrow</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Mythic Weapons</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb"> Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. <br>Objective: 10 Mulcibar’s Scoria</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Verethragna/Almace/Farsha/Redemption/Rhongomiant/Masamune/Gandiva/Daurdabla</td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3"> Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. <br>Objective: 60 Riftcinder</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Twashtar/Caladbolg/Ukonvasara/Kannagi/Gambanteinn/Hvergelmir/Armageddon/Ochain</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb"> Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. <br>Objective: 60 Riftdross</td></tr></table>

Personally I feel these are all to much to want a player to do for a small stat increase. I'm not saying they aren't doable or that people wont do them. I know they will in fact. People bought the 1500 plates for a tiny increase.

Relics will take a minimum of 20 days for most people. ADL requires a perfect defense zerg strategy that means one kill for one marrow per day. you can easily farm 2-3 sets after you kill ADL but you can't do him twice in a row. That's 2/3 a month per person requiring 18 people to not do any other dynamis. Many people make their gil selling currency so now they can't make gil or can't upgrade their relic. This is all for one person. I feel killing him 20 times would be much better. If you don't go with kills I would make it 10 umbra.

The time required to make 10 PW is 220 hours of just getting and turning in pictures currently. You did say you were lowering it though. Tack on say 10-20 more to kill everything. Its vastly easier to kill then ADL as well. Mythic's cost more then Relics in the begining and have worse trials. Don't know why they have an easier trial this time. I would bump this up to 20 kills but if you don't go with kills I would leave it alone.

Empyreans are shafted again. I understand they are easier to make and for the most part have better ws. But you seem to think that people did all 175 items to get to 90 by farming them. I know most people pay for a lot of the pop items. You're also most likely brewing some of the kills. i brewed 4 at a time for all my 90 items. 1500 plates
costs the same as a relic but the supply is to small. You should have added heavy metal to all of jeuno 2 and pouches to tier 6. The Rift cinder / dross should be lowered to 10 or make it 50 kills of flan and ogre. At current prices they are 300k on most servers making empyreans more expensive then mythics to take to 99.

• Stage 2　※The number of items required for upgrade is temporary.
  <table width="580" border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1" class="ta01"><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="th01"><td width="50%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7"> Weapon Classification </td><td width="50%" align="center" class="th01" bgcolor="#a8d0d7"> Trial Information </td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Relic Weapons</td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3"> Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. <br>Objective: 1,000 Umbral Marrow</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Mythic Weapons</td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb"> Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. <br>Objective: 500 Mulcibar’s Scoria</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3">Verethragna/Almace/Farsha/Redemption/Rhongomiant/Masamune/Gandiva/Daurdabla </td><td bgcolor="#eaf2f3"> Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. <br>Objective: 3,000 Riftcinder</td></tr><tr valign="middle" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f5fafb">Twashtar/Caladbolg/Ukonvasara/Kannagi/Gambanteinn/Hvergelmir/Armageddon/Ochain </td><td bgcolor="#f5fafb"> Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item. <br>Objective: 3,000 Riftdross</td></tr></table>

All of these are unreasonable. Personally I would make the relic and mythic 50 and the empyrean 100.

SE doesn't seem to grasp mmo game design. They have no idea what a quality of life issue is. Their riding the dieing wave of first generation time = difficulty. Their risk vs reward is quite possibly the worst. I don't know what to say I guess ffxi was a fluke that it was so superior to other first generation mmos. They haven't adapted as well as everquest. The only other still relevent first generation mmo.