Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Nynja]

You can't solo 3 PW's.

You can do all the leg work solo though >.> rifts are shoutable content since they do reward all participants with items they probably want. Either way, you can profit off rex/alima by trading in jade cells for extra cruor, on top of the misc garbage, as well as theres no reason to believe rifts wont drop off VW4.

The point is for ADL you're basically raping 17 other people for a minimum of 10 hours of their time, whereas for PW its maybe 2 hours tops.

Captain takes 50 days max especially now that you're 99. Redoing assaults takes 50 days max.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Agent_Rescue
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Orichalcum_Survey
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Lebros_Supplies
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Counting_Sheep
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Supplies_Recovery (debatable)
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Im...sure_Retrieval

Care to elaborate how level 99 has any impact on success rate of these assaults compared to level 75? I'm really curious how being level 99 makes mining up oricalcum ore any easier.

[Staren]

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Agent_Rescue
I dont know are you unable to get the mechanic down or read the strat? Went 1/1 on this both times we did it. Maybe its because we know how to tp feed because some of us leveled blue mage but its not that hard.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Orichalcum_Survey
You should be able to kill the worms faster so you can keep mining more. Again went 1/1 on this both times we did it.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Lebros_Supplies
This is your only true complaint. We did it with 3 people and it is rough but with the movement speed + available at 95+ not to mention sprint shoes stacking on movement speed + gear. You can do this but seriously if its that much trouble get a shout group together and communicate well it goes much faster.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Counting_Sheep
You only need 1 sheep to win this. Again not that hard read the strat it is ridiculously easy to get only one sheep if you play smart. You should have been able to do this 1/1 at 95

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Supplies_Recovery (debatable)
At 95 my monk and a blue mage and a whm killed all buy one imp before the npcs could get to them.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Im...sure_Retrieval
again seriously you only need 1 gem. This isnt hard read the strategy play harder.

Overall more dps and faster movement speed at 90+ makes these fights ridiculously easy. With the exception of lebros supplies.

[Nynja]

lol...thats all I gotta say. "becuz I went 1/1, it means its easy", I guess that means you're a pretty bad player if you set the standards that low.

Agent Rescue has nothing to with skill if the non-nin mamools just refuse to do weapon toss. Feed all the TP you want, but it comes down to random number generator, and if random number generator says: firespit, warm up, fire spit, warm up, warm up, rushing drub, warm up, firespit...too bad so sad. Thats not skill

"You should be able to kill the worms faster so you can keep mining more. Again went 1/1 on this both times we did it. "
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
Your pickaxe breaks (FKKKKKKKKKKK I HAVE TO RUN ALL THE WAY AROUND NOW)
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You dig up a pebble!
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You dig up a zinc ore!
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
Your pickaxe breaks.

Once again, wheres the skill in this. The worms arent a deterrent at all.


"You only need 1 sheep to win this. Again not that hard read the strat it is ridiculously easy to get only one sheep if you play smart. You should have been able to do this 1/1 at 95"
Once again, level has NOTHING to do with this, I can go 1/1 at lvl 1. Doesnt change the fact that if I keep mining up garbage or bronze coins, I'm going to lose.

"Overall more dps and faster movement speed at 90+ makes these fights ridiculously easy. With the exception of lebros supplies. "
all the above assaults I mentioned have almost nothing to do with fighting. Movement speed is available at level 1 with sprinter shoes...

[Staren]

lol...thats all I gotta say. "becuz I went 1/1, it means its easy", I guess that means you're a pretty bad player if you set the standards that low.

Agent Rescue has nothing to with skill if the non-nin mamools just refuse to do weapon toss. Feed all the TP you want, but it comes down to random number generator, and if random number generator says: firespit, warm up, fire spit, warm up, warm up, rushing drub, warm up, firespit...too bad so sad. Thats not skill

"You should be able to kill the worms faster so you can keep mining more. Again went 1/1 on this both times we did it. "
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
Your pickaxe breaks (FKKKKKKKKKKK I HAVE TO RUN ALL THE WAY AROUND NOW)
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You dig up a pebble!
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You dig up a zinc ore!
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
You mine nothing.
Your pickaxe breaks.

Once again, wheres the skill in this. The worms arent a deterrent at all.


"You only need 1 sheep to win this. Again not that hard read the strat it is ridiculously easy to get only one sheep if you play smart. You should have been able to do this 1/1 at 95"
Once again, level has NOTHING to do with this, I can go 1/1 at lvl 1. Doesnt change the fact that if I keep mining up garbage or bronze coins, I'm going to lose.

"Overall more dps and faster movement speed at 90+ makes these fights ridiculously easy. With the exception of lebros supplies. "
all the above assaults I mentioned have almost nothing to do with fighting. Movement speed is available at level 1 with sprinter shoes...

Movement speed + sprinters shoes makes movement speed faster and you should have 3 people working on these. Really if you are going to pull the random number generator response on this you're sad. 3 compitent players with movement speed + and sprinters shoes effect on or dancer with chocobo jig and movement speed + can do these. I'm actually a very good player I do realize some things are random but I dont bitch and moan about "random number generators" I'll give you a group not seriously trying can not get captain in 50 days but especially since you CAN bring in 6 people and not just 3 its even sadder. For the tp feed one I don't know what to say for you if you honestly believe you cant do this without luck especially if you can bring 6 people all dual wielding 1 dmg clubs and someone able to cure. It might explain why you have issues altogether. I just think assaults and nyzul are the STUPIDEST things to bitch about out of the mythic quests. I mean while you marked it debatable you seriously listed Supplies Recovery as a possible problem child assault.

[Arcari]

I think the main issue here with the relic trial now is the mob itself. ADL is far too luck based for a trial. As I understand it, he spawns on his own, then splits into 2 when the first dies, and if you picked the wrong clone, it's LOL I WIN YOU LOSE WASTED POPSET! And since the only way to reliably beat him is with 2hour zergs, you only get one shot per run unless you have a bunch of COR mules or something.

So, what SE needs to do is try to remove as much sheer luck out of the equation as possible. Make the fight winnable without 2hours (take away his instant death attacks), make the clones drop marrows as well (consolation prize method), whatever else has been suggested that makes this fight feasible 95% of the time. It probably wouldn't hurt to add the Marrow to normal DL as well, perhaps at ~50% droprate. Of course, congestion is going to be an issue as well (really bad in a zone which you only get 2 hours tops in each day), but SE can always add multiple ???s like they did for the top tier Abyssea NMs.

The required amount of items is fine now, mythic is fine, emp...meh lol. How many 95 emps are even around now? Stupid heavy metal plates...

[Nynja]

So your character has that hidden luck stat, congrats...doesnt change the fact those assaults are 100% luck based.

[Kimble]

How come, when its the person that doesn't have a relic, being forced to help someone with one in a LS, and they want something that benefits them too, its selfish, but the person with the relic, that is forcing something to do something for them that has no benefit to that person, its then called team work?

[Staren]

So your character has that hidden luck stat, congrats...doesnt change the fact those assaults are 100% luck based.

Cuz Supplies Recovery is completely luck based, not like you can position yourself before you pop the mobs and rape them before the npc's get a chance to touch them. That's so luck based. Cuz for Imperial Treasure Retrieval I know how to work with two other people who know how to read a map and communicate so that we all three get items and at least one of us makes it to the treasure chest by telling the others which way the mobs are and knowing aggro range so I dont get caught myself while looking for them. Because an assualt where you're best run you're supposed to get 5 sheep but only need one to win you think SE would make it wholly impossible for you to at least get one with three people all actively working towards it? Cuz I read the strategy and I dodge when a mob uses fire spit or weapon toss and tp feed it with clubs? Congrats to me for my hidden luck stat or as I call it my ability to read wiki.

[Stabbytabby]

Originally I had a long post about things like the maximum number of kills that can practically be done per day, the interference between all the linkshells that will have overlapping event times in each time zone thus reducing ever further the chance that these items will ever be sold for a price not exceeding making another entire relic or two from scratch....and the laughable 'we expect most players will be able to make a stage 1 relic' bit SE fed us. But, then I realized they don't listen to a word we say when it involves reason, logic, or balance. So, time to dazzle them with a storm of bs...

Hey, SE....would it help any if I said I have SAM leveled? I know you love SAM like a mother loves her baby boy. Won't you please think of the SAMs and reduce this trial to something like 5-10,000 ws kills on whatever mob the relic job suck against? Like, undead for Apocalypse (no drains), or Imps for WHMs (silencega).

Just an idea that'll make it easier for your good buddies the SAMs

[Unctgtg]

I really hope and pray that SE does not ignore all these posts all over these boards. If they do, that just shows us one thing, they do not care about it's player base.