Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[SpankWustler]

We all choose our own names.

GM Queepel just became my hero.

[Soidisant]

Yet, with your busy schedule, you have a relic? So unless you're stupidly rich, you've been doing Dynamis for what, four months, every day? Which is about the time you'll have to invest in it again. Only this time, you won't just complete your own relic, but also all other 14 relics in your LS (with some luck).

As I said, I just don't think it's unreasonable, compared to before.

I have 2. One from old school Dyna and one from after Dyna changes. Neither involved 4 months of daily Dynamis farming though.

Apoc was done Dec 2008 - Mar 2009 including like ~10 Dyna runs
Ragna was all done in Dec 2011 with just 2 Dyna runs (Attestation and Fragment)

Point being that not every Relic was done recently and involved farming Dyna daily for 4 months. A lot were done pre-changes and even after changes it doesn't mean people spent 2 hours a day in Dyna for 4 months.

Personally I do Dyna once a week and that's only because it's an LS event. No way could I drag myself in there daily for any sort of prolonged period of time. If we did Dynamis daily, it means we'd have to scrap all other LS events as the majority of the LS works during the day. Plus, if the LS does do ADL then it's far more likely we'd sell the Marrow (with it offered to LS members at 75% cost) and then split the gil equally among attending members so that non-relic holders in the LS aren't being unfairly treated.

Like I said though, 5 is potentially reasonable. I'll probably get Apoc to 99 and leave Ragna at 95. I imagine my wife will do Brav or Spharai to 99 and leave the other plus Gjallar at 95. The fact that we think we can get 1 each to 99 even with limited playtime means it's at least semi-reasonable.

I just hope that at the very least they add multiple ??? for the NM's in Xarc otherwise congestion is going to be a huge problem. Anything else after that would be a bonus.

[Ravenmore]

News flash Arcon people might have been working on relic way longer then the recent changes. Not to mention that 75 relics are a few years old so some one could have started one 5 or 6 years ago when they could spend most of the day on FF11. You are about as out of touch as the dev team.

[Arcon]

News flash Arcon people might have been working on relic way longer then the recent changes. Not to mention that 75 relics are a few years old so some one could have started one 5 or 6 years ago when they could spend most of the day on FF11. You are about as out of touch as the dev team.

You're referencing "5 or 6" year old content, which is responsible for the vanishing minority of current relics in circulation and you're calling me out of touch? Way to make your case. And even considering old Dynamis, you mean to tell me you were able to farm currency for up to a year for just one single relic with an entire linkshell, yet now you can't invest 10 hours into it?

All my arguments still hold. In case you didn't read my post, I did add the clause "unless you're stupidly rich", which, reading over his post, seems to apply in his case. And in which case he should also be able to afford to buy the marrow (even from his LS, since he mentions they plan on doing it).

So, why exactly am I out of touch (with whatever you claim I am out of touch of)?

[Unctgtg]

Like I have stated before, this trial needs to be changed from 5 to kills or drop off regular DL.

The playerbase has spoken.

[Ravenmore]

You're referencing "5 or 6" year old content, which is responsible for the vanishing minority of current relics in circulation and you're calling me out of touch? Way to make your case. And even considering old Dynamis, you mean to tell me you were able to farm currency for up to a year for just one single relic with an entire linkshell, yet now you can't invest 10 hours into it?

All my arguments still hold. In case you didn't read my post, I did add the clause "unless you're stupidly rich", which, reading over his post, seems to apply in his case. And in which case he should also be able to afford to buy the marrow (even from his LS, since he mentions they plan on doing it).

So, why exactly am I out of touch (with whatever you claim I am out of touch of)?

When you spread the cost out over 5 years is it that hard to think it couldn't be done. Or how about the very fact that 5 or 6 years ago people might not have had the families or jobs to take up time they could give to FF11. It did not take a whole LS a year to finish one relic. You have no clue and are just as out of touch with the base as SE.

[Soidisant]

If by stupidly rich, you mean 2.3m gil then yes I am stupidly rich.

Apoc was funded by people being stupid (i.e. I bought currency and resold it for more until I had enough to finish. So mostly done AFK)
Ragna was funded by 3 people pooling gil for like 3 weeks (all 3 people got Relics not just me, we just took turns)

At the minute I have nothing to really shoot for so I just idle around the 2-4m pending on what VW sellables I get.

For 99 trials I'll probably have to find 150m ish if I buy it from the LS but who knows what Marrow will sell for. Currently 40m on Asura.

[Ravenmore]

If by stupidly rich, you mean 2.3m gil then yes I am stupidly rich.

Apoc was funded by people being stupid (i.e. I bought currency and resold it for more until I had enough to finish. So mostly done AFK)
Ragna was funded by 3 people pooling gil for like 3 weeks (all 3 people got Relics not just me, we just took turns)

At the minute I have nothing to really shoot for so I just idle around the 2-4m pending on what VW sellables I get.

For 99 trials I'll probably have to find 150m ish if I buy it from the LS but who knows what Marrow will sell for. Currently 40m on Asura.

Only thing with buying is will the supply be there. I still feel 40 mil might still be on the low side. What people are seeing now might be very old stocks. Now think for a sec you know some one drop them thinking they worthless way back when ADL was put in.

[Soidisant]

Well I'd arrange some sort of deal with the LS rather than going outside the LS unless I absolutely had to. Either buy it off the LS at discount cost if acquired through LS events. Or farm the sets up myself and then offer the choice of drops or gil to come along and help me as compensation for missing out on their daily Dyna.

Honestly, most would probably do it for free if it was just 1-2 relics. Although with how many relics we have in the LS, it's going to get pretty old, pretty fast for those without relics. That being said, if all they have to do is roll up to ADL, kill and then leave then they may be willing to do it for free/chance at drops even for quite a lot of relics.

That 40m is one that has cropped up since the announced trials. There was one for 30m earlier in the week too. I agree that they are more likely to rise in price than drop.

[SpankWustler]

Only thing with buying is will the supply be there. I still feel 40 mil might still be on the low side. What people are seeing now might be very old stocks. Now think for a sec you know some one drop them thinking they worthless way back when ADL was put in.

Umbral Marrow was added relatively recently, around the time the Development Bros started mulling over what the level 99 trials would be.

Edit: I do agree they're more likely to increase in price than decrease, though.