Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Arcari]

I think the main issue here with the relic trial now is the mob itself. ADL is far too luck based for a trial. As I understand it, he spawns on his own, then splits into 2 when the first dies, and if you picked the wrong clone, it's LOL I WIN YOU LOSE WASTED POPSET! And since the only way to reliably beat him is with 2hour zergs, you only get one shot per run unless you have a bunch of COR mules or something.

So, what SE needs to do is try to remove as much sheer luck out of the equation as possible. Make the fight winnable without 2hours (take away his instant death attacks), make the clones drop marrows as well (consolation prize method), whatever else has been suggested that makes this fight feasible 95% of the time. It probably wouldn't hurt to add the Marrow to normal DL as well, perhaps at ~50% droprate. Of course, congestion is going to be an issue as well (really bad in a zone which you only get 2 hours tops in each day), but SE can always add multiple ???s like they did for the top tier Abyssea NMs.

The required amount of items is fine now, mythic is fine, emp...meh lol. How many 95 emps are even around now? Stupid heavy metal plates...

[Nynja]

So your character has that hidden luck stat, congrats...doesnt change the fact those assaults are 100% luck based.

[Staren]

So your character has that hidden luck stat, congrats...doesnt change the fact those assaults are 100% luck based.

Cuz Supplies Recovery is completely luck based, not like you can position yourself before you pop the mobs and rape them before the npc's get a chance to touch them. That's so luck based. Cuz for Imperial Treasure Retrieval I know how to work with two other people who know how to read a map and communicate so that we all three get items and at least one of us makes it to the treasure chest by telling the others which way the mobs are and knowing aggro range so I dont get caught myself while looking for them. Because an assualt where you're best run you're supposed to get 5 sheep but only need one to win you think SE would make it wholly impossible for you to at least get one with three people all actively working towards it? Cuz I read the strategy and I dodge when a mob uses fire spit or weapon toss and tp feed it with clubs? Congrats to me for my hidden luck stat or as I call it my ability to read wiki.

[Stabbytabby]

Originally I had a long post about things like the maximum number of kills that can practically be done per day, the interference between all the linkshells that will have overlapping event times in each time zone thus reducing ever further the chance that these items will ever be sold for a price not exceeding making another entire relic or two from scratch....and the laughable 'we expect most players will be able to make a stage 1 relic' bit SE fed us. But, then I realized they don't listen to a word we say when it involves reason, logic, or balance. So, time to dazzle them with a storm of bs...

Hey, SE....would it help any if I said I have SAM leveled? I know you love SAM like a mother loves her baby boy. Won't you please think of the SAMs and reduce this trial to something like 5-10,000 ws kills on whatever mob the relic job suck against? Like, undead for Apocalypse (no drains), or Imps for WHMs (silencega).

Just an idea that'll make it easier for your good buddies the SAMs

[Nynja]

Cuz I read the strategy and I dodge when a mob uses fire spit or weapon toss and tp feed it with clubs?

I actually just bothered reading this garbage...you really think that works? lol this isnt quake 2, you cant circlestrafe

[Kimble]

How come, when its the person that doesn't have a relic, being forced to help someone with one in a LS, and they want something that benefits them too, its selfish, but the person with the relic, that is forcing something to do something for them that has no benefit to that person, its then called team work?

[Unctgtg]

I really hope and pray that SE does not ignore all these posts all over these boards. If they do, that just shows us one thing, they do not care about it's player base.

[Dreamin]

I really hope and pray that SE does not ignore all these posts all over these boards. If they do, that just shows us one thing, they do not care about it's player base.

You need to follow other threads a lot more often if you think this is a unique thing happening.

BST's threads, SMN threads, VW threads, etc etc. And these are just the recent ones.

[detlef]

If you killed 8/10 and still lost because they got 5 packages you didn't read the wiki. Any imp they touch is theirs. This is why you position yourself at the top of the cliff and work your way down so you can kill mobs before they even finish with their first. It sounds like the first time you tried, you were fighting the same mobs the NPCs were.

I thought this assault would be a pain in the ass like it was at 75 but it's incredibly easy now.

[Alerith]

Luckily, assaults can be discussed in a thread about that topic.

On topic for this thread:

To be completely fair, there may come a time where a perfect strategy for ADL is formed out and the fight becomes nothing but a minor nuisance. In that case, five items wouldn't be horrible.

However, I don't think we should bank on that fact, because in the event ADL remains a permanent ass, five items per person, per relic is going to be murder on a LS's schedule and members.