Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Sparthos]

Spoken like a person who doesn't understand the logistics of building an ADL party if you don't have an LS or suckers to drag to Dynamis-Xarcabard to finish your weapon at no gain to assisting members.

[Geabrielle]

Spoken like a person who doesn't understand the logistics of building an ADL party if you don't have an LS or suckers to drag to Dynamis-Xarcabard to finish your weapon at no gain to assisting members.

Who needs logistics when I have friends??

No, honestly. It's no less difficult to build an ADL than it is for a voidwatch group if you can either make appeal to their sense of greed (which is sad) or their sense of camaraderie if they've never been mistreated by said greedy bastards. It's not any different than any other large-scale content we've dealt with as players over the long years of gameplay. So seriously?? What's all the crying for? The other obvious answer to this is just not do it and we know what kinda bomb that's going to produce.

[Sparthos]

Who needs logistics when I have friends??

No, honestly. It's no less difficult to build an ADL than it is for a voidwatch group if you can either make appeal to their sense of greed (which is sad) or their sense of camaraderie if they've never been mistreated by said greedy bastards. It's not any different than any other large-scale content we've dealt with as players over the long years of gameplay. So seriously?? What's all the crying for? The other obvious answer to this is just not do it and we know what kinda bomb that's going to produce.

So because you have friends willing to repeat this mob for you at no gain to them (from the run itself), the trial is fine? Selfish much?

Funny you bring up large scale content because those events lacking incentive for individuals usually died instantly or were never big hits amongst the mainstream base. Yilbegan? Hydra? Fomor HNMs? Jormungand? The list is numerous of large scale content that sat idle because the drops were either complete shit or the one good drop wasn't worth fielding 18 people to obtain.

Now the game has shrunken down to mostly PUGs you really think people are going to successfully shout ADLs? Content that isn't being used seems to be what SE relishes in releasing when they come up with stuff like this. Well that or people desperate to swipe a debit card to finish the trial.

SE>> "We think most people will complete Stage 1."

Me>> "Think again."

[Geabrielle]

So because you have friends willing to repeat this mob for you at no gain to them (from the run itself), the trial is fine? Selfish much?

tl;dr ...

Or rather, that I have friends willing to do this with the confidence that their help will be reciprocated is difficult to believe. Large scale events eventually crumbled for a myriad of reasons of which selfish jerks were the greatest perpetrators. Now that individualism and multi-accounts have been bumped up into the 'ruling division' of getting things accomplished the return to a larger scale is a crimp in their stride and thus unwelcome. I'm willing to bet this is mostly because of the bridges burned from previous assholishness. Sucks to be them.

[Vold]

tl;dr ...

Or rather, that I have friends willing to do this with the confidence that their help will be reciprocated is difficult to believe. Large scale events eventually crumbled for a myriad of reasons of which selfish jerks were the greatest perpetrators. Now that individualism and multi-accounts have been bumped up into the 'ruling division' of getting things accomplished the return to a larger scale is a crimp in their stride and thus unwelcome. I'm willing to bet this is mostly because of the bridges burned from previous assholishness. Sucks to be them.

Or people with a life now because they grew up after 8 years of playing. Sucks to be them, I guess. Righto? Eff'm. Goofballs never should have stopped owning in a hardcore shell. They earned that lv75 relic but we're 99 now and according to videogame law that means they have to bust their asses off all over again to get lv99 weapons. SE should not just rightfully hand it to us like pretty much everything else that's been upgraded from 75 with augments and magian trials. Who cares about justice here. Eff'm. I want my exclusive lv99 weapon that's even more prestigious than before.

Lol. I never thought I'd see the day when relic holders would be hating on each other. SE sure knows how to play with emotions and prestige.

[Camiie]

I guess I'm being self-serving, but I still think Empyrean is where they took the biggest leap in difficulty, and so far, the 1500 HMPs and 60 rifts requirements have remained the same throughout all this. I'm sure many, and especially the devs, consider these trials to be balanced against the relative ease of that which came before. I, of course, disagree with that.

Camate mentioned that the intention for the Stage 1 Relic trials was that they would be doable by someone who was able to complete the previous trial. It doesn't seem from my perspective that the same philosophy was used for the 95-99 Empyrean trials. I just wonder is there any chance at all that the devs will be looking into these trials?

[CordeliaAzalan]

I completely agree with Geabrielle on this. Really, how much easier are people crying for it to be? When did the player base become so pacified and devoid of ambition and teamwork that OMG5ITEMs was an impossible task? Any brain-dead monkey from the old HNM days (ya know, the days people actually had skill and knew their jobs and didn't just piggyback on an Abyssea party) can piece together an alliance for ADL or PW... or, I don't know... they could have FRIENDS to help them. Ya know, friends? That oh-so-foreign concept to all the greedy little people roaming the servers, alienating everyone they come across for their own personal gain. Oh my, it's so hard to comprehend... dear lord, this truly saddens me.

On the other side of it, I do have to extend my thanks to the Devs and the community reps for putting up with these silly NAs complaining and whining that stuff is "too hard" ... waaah.

Oh, and P.S.: I've read the thread... it's still just a bunch of crybabies whining.

[Geabrielle]

The Dev team needs to realize you Dynamis has a time limit. In that time limit you can only make so many pop sets, then only kill ADL 1x per run because people used up their 2 hour abilities. SE needs to give more incentive for ADL along with some minor changes.

Adjustments to Arch Dynamis Lord:

1-2 Umbral Marrow (1 is 100%, 2nd is TH based?)
1-4 100 Piece (1 is 100%, 2-4 is TH based?)

This at least, I'll get behind as a possible adjustment to ADL himself. I can't go for the switch between Mythic and Relic simply because getting a Mythic is a bigger crap shoot than a Relic for time investment and has been since creation.

[detlef]

I've made my peace with the number of items required for the relic upgrade. My concern has turned to the procurement.

-ADL puts out quite a bit of damage and splits into copies, requiring you to either guess right or bring much more firepower to compensate. I think people would not bitch and complain as much if the fight were more repeatable.

-Currently there is only one ??? that is used for both DL and ADL. I assume an adjustment is on the way to allow more groups to pop simultaneously, as it is unreasonable to make people compete for the ??? when time is restricted.

-Must the marrow be restricted to only one mob? And only one drop per kill? Is there any harm in adding additional drop slots to ADL and/or adding marrow to other arch-mobs?

Considering how many relics there are out there, I think SE still isn't out of the woods yet because even if people get over the trial itself, a new wave of valid complaints regarding congestion may be just around the corner.

[Karbuncle]

I don't care if they made the Trial more difficult, As long as we didn't have to kill Arch Dynamis Lord.

ANYTHING but Arch Dynamis Lord. I'd take Having to kill Botulus Rex 100 TImes, At least he's consistently winnable and has no Coin Toss factors.