Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Arcon]

A large majority of people don't want to do Dynamis everyday for a year.

And almost no one will have to. As I said, most linkshells will easily finish within a few months (that's most linkshells that even own relics, many linkshells still have none, but this isn't about them). And they don't even have to, that's only if they want to get all their weapons upgraded to the top right away. And again, this is the final weapon (not counting glowing one, but that's another issue altogether, as it will never be obtained at all at the current rate). Unless they introduce yet another form of ultimate weapon in the new content, they will have the maxed out weapon in a few months of very casual effort (to most people who own relics, 2h a day is hardly effort at all). This is clearly targeted at the players who were willing to invest in a relic in the first place, which are usually people who don't mind investing a lot of time in upgrades for their gear.

I agree it's not perfect, but I honestly doubt we're gonna get much better than this. At least this isn't unreasonable anymore.

[Soidisant]

And don't even start with "nothing but Dynamis for a year", this is a 2h event. Even the most casual of players will be able to find a LS they can join regularly for this.

I set off for work at 7am every morning and get home at 6-6:30pm. If you added 2 hours a day every day for a solid amount of time it would basically mean only playing FFXI purely to Dynamis. Heaven forbid if I had kids or my wife didn't play too. My LS atm has 15 Relics in with 2 more partially complete for the record.


5 does have the potential to be reasonable though. It's going to depend on a few things (congestion, ease of PUG'ing ADL, Umbral Marrow being added to another mob or dropping in multiples, Marrow being readily available in Bazaars, etc.). It's a reluctant wait and see for me.

[Gaspee]

Sadly, this situation is quite similar to the XIV Beta/Forums. Everyone was in unilateral disagreement with the course of the test, but it was like shouting into a vacuum - and the game was released anyway.

[BotosiAsura]

I think the bare minimum SE could do, if they do not plan on drastically changing the Relic trials, would be to increase the number of EP/DC mobs in Dynamis - Xarcabard and also increasing the drop rate of currency in only Dynamis - Xarcabard. This would allow a group of 18 going to kill ADL for relic trials to split up, allowing some of the alliance to farm currency to split amongst the alliance (maybe - the person getting the marrow that day?), while the other part of the alliance builds up an ADL pop to kill at the end of the run.

I think one of the main worries, especially one of mine, would be to join a linkshell to do these runs, get the leader their marrow in 20~days, get someone else their marrow another 20~ days, then someone else, then the LS breaks before they get their own 99 Relic, and wasted all that time on a V-I-D-E-O-G-A-M-E for zero output, and also wasted 80 days of Dynamis for a pretty crappy currency output (as it is now).

Increasing the currency drop rate in Xarcabard and increasing the number EP/DC mobs would also make more people do these trials (because I doubt anybody is going to if it doesnt change much) and would also spread out the number of people in each Dynamis zone, freeing up heavily congested Dynamis zones like Valkurm and Buburimu, which causes players to compete against eachother and work against eachother. It would bring B-A-L-A-N-C-E to the Dynamis zones, fixing the congestion, and would probably make the community a bit happier while still keeping the trials the same.

[Aldersyde]

In definite agreement with adding marrow to other Arch Dynamis mobs...if only for congestion or variety's sake. Do people even really kill the city and beau arch bosses with what they drop now?

[Geabrielle]

This is still going .....

[Arcon]

I set off for work at 7am every morning and get home at 6-6:30pm. If you added 2 hours a day every day for a solid amount of time it would basically mean only playing FFXI purely to Dynamis. Heaven forbid if I had kids or my wife didn't play too. My LS atm has 15 Relics in with 2 more partially complete for the record.

Yet, with your busy schedule, you have a relic? So unless you're stupidly rich, you've been doing Dynamis for what, four months, every day? Which is about the time you'll have to invest in it again. Only this time, you won't just complete your own relic, but also all other 14 relics in your LS (with some luck).

As I said, I just don't think it's unreasonable, compared to before.

[Tinuviel]

SE needs to realize that the difference between kill objectives and item objectives isnt about difficulty. Sure, kill objectives allows for 18 credits per kill and this drastically increases the rate of trial completion per ADL kill. However, difficulty is easily scaled by # kills. I personally believe that having to kill ADL 50 times is a better trial than having to collect 5 items. This type of change promotes people to work together and all enjoy a reward. If SE doesnt do this, they're forcing us to embark and an extremely frustrating trial. Design the challenge not the difficulty.

As far as how people have already started farming trial items... good god is that actually an argument SE? That's a pathetic argument and you know it. Just make the trial items bazaarable and I'm sure stage 2 relic people will happily buy them up at some point. Camate, can you please get a legitimate argument for keeping the item collecting format from the dev team??? I think when there is such an overwhelming response from the community, explanations from the dev team shouldnt be so easily shot down.

Thanks!

[Brolic]

Yet, with your busy schedule, you have a relic? So unless you're stupidly rich, you've been doing Dynamis for what, four months, every day? Which is about the time you'll have to invest in it again. Only this time, you won't just complete your own relic, but also all other 14 relics in your LS (with some luck).

As I said, I just don't think it's unreasonable, compared to before.

his shell has been around for a while, it's the only credible eu shell on asura for the last 4? years. Jem's apoc is probably 2 years old now? was the 2nd on the server.. after mine (rip artaxerxes)

More so in those 4 years it wouldn't be such a huge leap to assume that people have gone from college students with loads of time on their hands to responsible working adults with not so much time.

[Gaspee]

More so in those 4 years it wouldn't be such a huge leap to assume that people have gone from college students with loads of time on their hands to responsible working adults with not so much time.

This is a variable that I don't see mentioned enough. You are absolutely right... the player base is much older than it was upon release and time is something not everyone can afford a lot of.