Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Sparthos]

20, sure not unjustified.

5? They're not just gonna hand it to you.

And it's not just the complaining, it's the whole "omg if it's not easy to get the absolute best weapons in the game, I'm quitting" threats that make me lol

It could be 2 and the point still stands that no one does ADL, ADL takes too many bodies to be practical and this trial will be the death of weapons people generally associate with inferiority like Axe, Polearm, Club or Staff.

I don't expect SE to hand people these weapons done with afterglows but really the disconnect between player and developer has reached Looney Tunes levels here.

A trial to simply kill every Arch Boss once would have been enough here to be challenging while still allowing the usual relicholders to band together and plow through the trials together. 10 days of no money runs to finish every relic you/your PUG has. This sounds fair and actually forces people to do content that has been dead-on-arrival since Neo Dynamis launched.

It's also pretty obvious ADL needs some adjustments as a roulette of win or lose is about as dumb as content can get. No matter how skilled you are, you're bound by a zerg timer? Yawn.

The JP are bitching as furiously as the NA because this is classic bait 'n switch. Make dynamis easy, encourage lowman relics, design trials up to 99 that require few people then BAM 99 needs a full alliance/linkshell + full Dynamis run for ONE person? lol.

[Arcon]

It could be 2 and the point still stands that no one does ADL

There is no point there. People will do ADL, for it. People will help others with it. People have always gone to far greater lengths to help friends and LS members out than about ten less than two hour long events, spread out over a an arbitrary length of time. And it will be done again.

I don't expect SE to hand people these weapons done with afterglows but really the disconnect between player and developer has reached Looney Tunes levels here.

Are you talking about the stage 1 trials? Because if you were talking about the last few weeks, I would have agreed with you. Last few days, less so, but still agreed. Now I agree that the disconnect between certain players and developers has reached Looney Tunes levels. Those players are a few misguided souls on here complaining about less than ten fights they have to do to achieve the ultimate weapon in a class (give or take). Pretty much everyone I knew was outraged about the fake trial numbers. Most people I knew were still unhappy about the reduced numbers. Now, no one I know is really complaining, aside from the occasional "meh" comment. That shows me, that everyone has calmed down and realized that this trial, in its current form, is more than doable. The fact that some people, now, of all times, go and proclaim the developers lack of common sense (after they've reduced the trial first by 95% and then again by another 75%) really makes them hard to take seriously.

I admit that stage 2 numbers are an entirely different topic. And tbh, I don't even know what the current state of those is... are they gonna be adjusted like the first stage was? Or were they, and I missed it? Somehow I find it hard to believe that SE would lower the stage 1 trials to an almost generous amount (by their standards) yet leave the stage 2 trials untouched. I almost expect them to lower those as well, because I doubt anyone would be willing to do the amount equal to 100 normal Lv99 relics for an underwhelming afterglow effect.

The JP are bitching as furiously as the NA because this is classic bait 'n switch. Make dynamis easy, encourage lowman relics, design trials up to 99 that require few people then BAM 99 needs a full alliance/linkshell + full Dynamis run for ONE person? lol.

Again, aside from a handful of people here I don't see anyone raging anymore. And it's hardly bait and switch, you're just reading intentions into their actions again. They were probably disappointed by what they let relics become. Ever since they were introduced relics were the symbol for ultimate achievement. What they did to Neodynamis was not so everyone could farm their relics in a few months (I'm pretty sure that's another development they didn't consider in advance), it was a reaction to the way empyreans knocked them off their throne. Giving the state of the game at that point, which was big LS fractioned into small parties, they wanted to make them more accessible as a trade-off for the lack of power.

However, these days things are more balanced. For some weapon classes, relics are better, for others mythics, for others empyreans. So for the ultimate upgrade, they wanted the game to return on its former path. And they didn't even go that far. Hell, even 20 ADL drops was still better than what used to be considered "normal" back in the day, now 5 is really nothing anyone can complain about.

[Camiie]

LOL man I wasn't going to say anything earlier.

Yeah, it's usually best to go with your first instinct.

1000 to 20, ppl still whine.

20 to 5, people still crying?

I have an idea, SE should just make an NPC where you can trade your 95 relic and he'll give you the 99 version w/ afterglow in exchange

Oh, well that's original. Yes, if any level of difficulty is shaved off of anything it's akin to mailing people free relics, infinite gil, and/or a Primeval Brew dispenser on a 5 second cooldown. I've never heard anything like that before. No sir. We've certainly broken new ground here. I'm not sure what's more impressive, your cleverness or your Dragonball picture collection.

[Nala]

I'm not sure what's more impressive, your cleverness or your Dragonball picture collection.

I think thats more due to who he really is, Veggeto of fairy prior to our server merge.

[Anewie]

LOL man I wasn't going to say anything earlier.

1000 to 20, ppl still whine.

20 to 5, people still crying?






I have an idea, SE should just make an NPC where you can trade your 95 relic and he'll give you the 99 version w/ afterglow in exchange

I know you don't like me but THANK YOU

[Seankp]

The DEVs of this game truly are out of touch and have lost sight of what is and isn't obtainable for the dwindling population of this game.

Arch Dynamis Lord drops are NOT realistic in this game. The Arch DL was not a realistic mob to farm when it was released at level 90, and still is not realistic even at 99!

People are accustomed to doing shouts for Voidwatch because EVERYONE gets rewarded every fight with SOMETHING. The Arch Dynamis Lord gear all sucks, the ONLY reason to do it would be for Umbral Marrow, 1 at a time for 1 person at a time. That is ridiculous.

I collected currency for 2 years, from 2005 to 2007 before I finished my relic, to be unable to upgrade it to 99 is a slap in the face for anyone who upgraded a relic before and after the changes, more so to the ones who did it before dynamis changed.

The Developers do not listen to their customers. They are stuck up in their own ideas of difficulty and fail to see any real logic in their decisions about the relics stage 1 95>99 trial.

The Mythic 95->99 trial stage 1 is FINE, PW is VERY easy to kill. Twilight Mail/Helm and level difference made this fight a joke. Even if this trial remained at 10 items, it would still be 100x easier than 5 Arch Dynamis Lord drops.

The Empyrean 95->99 trial stage 1 is FINE. It just takes numerous kills for Ig-Alima/Botulus Rex and buying them from people who have no intention of ever doing the 1500 Heavy Metal Plates.

NO ONE does the Arch Dynamis Lord. No one will do shouts for the Arch Dynamis Lord because everyone who has a relic will want the Umbral Marrow and once someone has their required amount, they likelihood of them ever helping on an Arch Dynamis Lord again drops to almost 0. People who have no relic have no reason or purpose to help them, there is no incentive, no reward, just a big waste of time.

Speaking of waste of time, everything the users (AKA SE's paying customers) have said on this forum, has been an utter waste of time because the Developers are NOT listening.

[Atoreis]

LOL man I wasn't going to say anything earlier.

1000 to 20, ppl still whine.

20 to 5, people still crying?






I have an idea, SE should just make an NPC where you can trade your 95 relic and he'll give you the 99 version w/ afterglow in exchange

Ppl will then cry that they cant find this NPC...

[Finuve]

yea at this point I gotta say 5 doesnt sound that bad for anyone with a relic

I just wish 1500 heavy metal plates didnt suck so bad...im more likely to go start and finish a relic now then to finish an empy


ALSO 60 riftdross/cinder still sucks badly

[Juilan]

I still like stage 1 is title on any job and stage 2 is 5 items... but since the dev team thinks people actually kill the thing...

I think this trial issue just killed the purpose of these boards btw, devs take note!

私はこの裁判の問題は単なる方法でこれらのボードの目的を殺したと考え、開発者は注意してください！

[Gukai]

Agreed on all things
The scope of the game has changed such that ADL is impractical to kill. Let's face it, the large HNM ls's of the past are gone, maybe 2% of them across all servers remain, and thats purely in respect to member size. The activity pattern isnt HNM-everyone-be-online-and-at-the-event anymore, so fetching a large amount of people at a specific event time is tough now. You need an alliance to beat ADL. Dynamis is done with 1-6 people now, even the NQ DL is done with 6. But you look at the popped NM's, most people stay away from them because they are still a pain in the butt with such lowman groups. To get the ADL pop items you need to kill those popped NMs, and the party setup is different than a farming setup, so people dont bother. Getting the ADL pop items just isnt happening in current game-play.

SE has gotten better in understanding the needs of players in respect to gear, but they are still clueless about how the game is played and how it has evolved (for better and worse). Remember AV and how it used to be unbeatable and it took years and constant pleading at conventions to get them to prove it was beatable? It just shows how reluctant they are to involved and immerse themselves in the actual game, so sit back in town with the rest of us and hear the shouts and participate in events. That last part is critical - participate in events, because thats how it's done now, join shout groups for VW or abby exp parties or nyzul/salvage, etc. Few groups are far and between and mostly exist as lingering friendships from past-great linkshells. Huge dyna LS's to beat ADL.... hahahahaha.