Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Cream_Soda]

Lol, I always kinda felt it was something like that. For most people, VII was the greatest game ever made, so any game that isnt VII, is going to suck for them.

I like the true VII over the VII we have (Xenogears was originally intended to be ff7, but was "too dark" for a ff game, so was just continued as a standalone game)

[Runespider]

Can you at least ask them if they can

Add the Drop to Shadow Lord (NQ) At a lower rate? (20%~?) - That would be far more reasonable. Or add it to Dynamis lord at 100% but allow Arch Dynamis Lord to drop a "Pouch" instead, giving 5-15 Of them (Allowing multple people to complete the trial with 1 Pop)

Does that sound reasonable?

I know all 3 of the people who already started farming it might be a little upset, But the other 5,997 Relic Holders will thank you.

They don't want to make it easier, in any way at all. Camate's repsonse from them said it all. They will listen and then totally ignore our feedback adn implement as intended. It really is like some sadistic guy in charge is punishing us all for being loyal players.

It's 5 times now. Lower but still stupid.

If they are dead set on this it should be 1, even then you have to compete with 17 others on that 1 item drop.

[Creelo]

Honestly, I feel like them adding the Umbral Marrow, etc. into circulation before the trials were actually released was just a trap for the playerbase and a pathetic justification for them to not change the true trials.

[Insaniac]

If they are dead set on this it should be 1, even then you have to compete with 17 others on that 1 item drop.

They are looking at the trial on an individual basis and completely ignoring the bottleneck they are creating. I mean really they kind of have to build trial around the difficulty for one person. From that perspective 1 item is way way way too easy and really they would be justified in thinking that if they are trying to make relics harder than mythics but easier than emps. But the bottleneck has to be considered. The relic trial is not a simple fix. They can't just raise or lower the requirements they need to change the way the items are obtained.

[Arcon]

Personally I don't think 5 is a bad choice for relics. Sure, some linkshells may need to work a year on it to get it for every one of their relics, but if they have people with four relics in it, I don't think that's too much to ask either. If someone can farm Dynamis every day for months on end to obtain a relic weapon in the first place, then repeat this again for three more relics, this hardly seems like an unsurmountable challenge, neither in effort nor duration. Only the focus will shift from solo efforts to linkshell efforts.

And don't even start with "nothing but Dynamis for a year", this is a 2h event. Even the most casual of players will be able to find a LS they can join regularly for this. These are, after all, the best three weapon classes in the game we're talking about, and considering that, I don't think a year's casual effort is too much to ask to get an entire linkshell upgraded on several weapons per player. Not to mention that this is still a gross exaggeration for the vast majority of linkshells in the game and most will likely be completely finished after a few months. As such I really can't find a reason to complain about 5 items per upgrade.

[Nynja]

こんにちは。

先週の投稿でお約束していた、調整後の強化に必要なアイテムの予定数量をお知らせします。

アイテムの必要数について
試練の難易度に見合うように調整を行った結果、それぞれの武器群における一段階目の必要数は以下の値で考えています。

• レリックウェポン：5個
• ミシックウェポン：3個
• エンピリアンウェポン：60個

※二段階目については、引き続き慎重な検討を行っており、具体的な内容がお伝えできるようになり次第改めてお知らせします。

Way to go SE, lower the trial that you already adjusted via 10x zeni points, and leave the broken trial broken. Now one person, presuming they have jettons stored up, can have all the zeni farmed up in 20 game days, and complete all the legwork on their own, and rally troops for PW...but this trial gets lowered to 3 PW items. Emps trial was always fine.

And yet the relic trial is still fn dumb as a rock, but hey, atleast now instead of 18 people wasting 1 month for one persons relic, its just one week of raping everyone of their potential dynamis time. Except as of the 2011 vanadiel census, there were 2965 lv90 relics, and 336 lv90 mythics. I'm pretty sure that number of relics has atleast doubled with the changes to dynamis, whereas alexandrite still fall from the sky like snow in africa. So even if a group of 18 people all have one relic each, thats still 18 weeks to upgrade everyones relic to 99, a number unrivaled (in a bad way) compared to mythic/emp trials.

Someone 2boxing can literally do all the legwork for PW, and then rally the troops for 1 hour. They can farm up all the zeni, do all the NM's to get PW pops, hold 2 PW pops and leave a third on the NPC ready for pickup. So you're requiring the help of 17 people for a mere hour. The dynamis trial, the pop NM's for ADL (despite pchan's retarded claims) arent exactly 2boxable, meaning you will require additional help for them, and ADL is a luck based fight...but I'm repeating all these facts now. basically for relic trial you need the help of 17 others, for 7 days (unless you pick the right ADL every time), at 2 hours a day. Mythic trial: work at your own pace then require assistance of 17 manhours. Relic trial: assistance of 238 manhours. There is no balance in this at all.

You wanted the trial difficulty to be Mythics>relics>emps? Its STILL Mythics=Emps>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>relics. Just because relics require 5 items and emps require 60, it doesnt make the emp trial exponentially harder when the 60 items are going to possibly be generated multiple times per day by anyone on the server willing to fight rex/alima (content that CAN be farmed by anyone at any time of the day with the only requirement being having someone with the relevant KI and having voidstones at your disposal)


In short:
You have fixed NOTHING

[Creelo]

And don't even start with "nothing but Dynamis for a year", this is a 2h event. Even the most casual of players will be able to find a LS they can join regularly for this.

A large majority of people don't want to do Dynamis everyday for a year. Simply doing Dynamis everday a week is already like 15 Hours/week. 14 Hours of Dynar + 1 Hour of Gathering Together/Random time wastes.

Personally, I don't want to have to take on a Part-time job to have to complete all of the relics in my LS; I want to complete all the relics in the shell, but not this way... :/

And so what if people did solo Dynamis entirely to get their Relic? They are still entitled to get the 99 Stage 1 version, but because these people probably lack a linkshell that could take on ADL, they are essentially screwed from finishing their weapon right from the start. Buying the five Umbral Marrows is no justification for an alternative either; that's just stupid.

[Unctgtg]

SE switch your trials, to 1 each or make them drop off regular DL like the relics should be. You really are risking losing your player base.

[Karbuncle]

If anyones curious, I think the JP Are almost as PO'd as we are.

I'm pretty sure i saw the words "Half Baked" used.

[Kitkat]

Honestly, I feel like them adding the Umbral Marrow, etc. into circulation before the trials were actually released was just a trap for the playerbase and a pathetic justification for them to not change the true trials.

Even if that is true, it doesn't justify the stage 1 since that is what most are talking about. Just to get stage 1 done, people will still have to fight ADL and the item that drops is still used for stage 2. In all honesty this doesn't hinder stage 2 (rather opposite for those who want to do it) since people would just need kills instead of items then items again from the same damn mob.