Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Seankp]

Forgot to post my new suggestion to the Relic Trial. Relic trial only is the problem, not Mythic, not Empyrean.

Seriously, 5-10 Arch Dynamis Lord kills or bust at this point!

The relic trial needs to be amount of kills. Who cares about the 4 or 5 groups that have started farming a handful of Umbral Marrows. Let them sell them to those people who want Stage 2 Afterglow.

The trial NEEDS to be kills so Umbral Marrow is brought into circulation and people can actually complete stage 2!

The DEVs need to stop being stubborn and think with their heads for once, and not their .....!

[Lushipur]

5*18=90 kills are a bit too much, lets do 50 adl kills and i bet ppl will be less pissed off

[TMG]

5 items is still ridiculous for the first trial. And it's even more ridiculous that the second trial requires the same items. Taking the same trial and making us do it 1000+ more times isn't so much "increased difficulty" as it is "unnecessary and annoying" and it just shows laziness on the dev's part. They absolutely couldn't come up with ANYTHING better than this one trial? We, the players, have given a ton of ideas, but they're so stuck on this one trial and shoot everything their customers suggest down, why? We're the ones giving you a job in the first place, throw us a bone here.

I know I don't have a large linkshell that will give me 17 other people to go kill ADL 5 times just for me. I'm not going to shout for it either because nobody's going to come unless I get 17 other relic holders and promise them the right to free lot the marrow. No way in hell I'm trying to win lot against 17 other people because my luck just isn't that good and I'd never finish that way. A lot of people I know who have relics have more than one, and are going to need more than 5 of these... they're not going to go on the market anytime soon, if ever. So those of us who don't have linkshells are pretty much screwed. And I know that's a lot more people than just me. I find it highly unlikely that people can be forced to give up their personal daily dyna farming time to help farm ADL for the 10+ relics in their linkshell 50+ times. Stuff just gets redundant after so long and people will have "real life emergencies" when it comes time to go farm ADL just so they can log in later and farm by themselves.

As far as I'm concerned the devs are a bunch of lazy inconsiderate liars who just really don't care about the players at all. You told us it would be easy for most average players to get stage 1 99s. Go ahead and let us know after a month how many relics have been upgraded to 99 after you implement this trial. I'm pretty sure it won't be anywhere near even half of all the active relics across all servers.

5 is better than 20 but it's still unreasonable to me because I consider myself an "average" player and this trial feels far too out of reach for me, and that's not what we were promised. I'd have no problem buying 5 items, but I really doubt I'll ever find 5 of them for sale within the next year, and if I do, the price would probably be close to the cost of making another relic weapon, which is hard to justify for such a minor upgrade. Same exact reason I started a relic in the first place instead of buying up heavy metal plates for my Empy. There's going to need to be a way to increase the supply for those of us who can't/won't sucker 17 other people into helping us upgrade our weapons with no benefit to them if you aren't going to completely change this trial, or it's going to be impossible for a lot of people to finish. And you also have to accommodate for those crazy people with unlimited gil trying to do stage 2. Pitting the average against the psychotic for the same items is just... evil.

Still most likely going to cancel my accounts in a few months over this crap, but I'm going to see how this plays out first. May as well shut down these forums since you're not at all interested in what we think anyway SE.

[BigPapaBlueJay]

I vote for DL Stage 1 and ADL Stage 2. ADL from the get go feels like they're skipping a step.

[Cream_Soda]

LOL man I wasn't going to say anything earlier.

1000 to 20, ppl still whine.

20 to 5, people still crying?






I have an idea, SE should just make an NPC where you can trade your 95 relic and he'll give you the 99 version w/ afterglow in exchange

[Rezeak]

I have an idea, SE should just make an NPC where you can trade your 95 relic and he'll give you the 99 version w/ afterglow in exchange

while i'm guessing your joking but i feel they should of done this just as a Thank you to all those who invested so much time and money in the game.

w/ mythic they should give ya 5k alexandrite back as a form of saying sorry for being so harsh on you.

[Sparthos]

LOL man I wasn't going to say anything earlier.

1000 to 20, ppl still whine.

20 to 5, people still crying?






I have an idea, SE should just make an NPC where you can trade your 95 relic and he'll give you the 99 version w/ afterglow in exchange

Cream, cmon lets be serious here - this isn't unjustified whining.

No one does ADL and after the patch that makes this stuff live no one will still do ADL. What incentive does anyone have to help a relic-holder finish this trial that eats an entire Dynamis run up and allows for a single kill at ADL? ADL doesn't even drop a single 100pc at a 100% rate and his gear is situational at best.

So ADL'll in most cases only drop marrow which is laughable given the effort expended to accomplish this feat. SE says "most people will finish" a 99 then turns around and makes a trial that not only compels people to tier relics (Guttler isn't worth 5 ADLs gtfo BST) but also encourages people to do something for nothing.

In typical SE fashion they haven't even decided to sweeten the pot. Throw in some heavy metal pouches? Some shots at multiple hundred pieces? A shot at any of the glowing weapons? Something? This is just your typical raw grind backed with voodoo speak, half-truths and delusions of balance from SE.

Who the hell cares about stage2? The person that hammers out that trial will have mush for brains once they manage to finally finish. Good to know SE doesn't give a fuck about the 'word to the players' they tote around.

[Cream_Soda]

Cream, cmon lets be serious here - this isn't unjustified whining.

No one does ADL and after the patch that makes this stuff live no one will still do ADL. What incentive does anyone have to help a relic-holder finish this trial that eats an entire Dynamis run up and allows for a single kill at ADL? ADL doesn't even drop a single 100pc at a 100% rate and his gear is situational at best.

So ADL'll in most cases only drop marrow which is laughable given the effort expended to accomplish this feat. SE says "most people will finish" a 99 then turns around and makes a trial that not only compels people to tier relics (Guttler isn't worth 5 ADLs gtfo BST) but also encourages people to do something for nothing.

In typical SE fashion they haven't even decided to sweeten the pot. Throw in some heavy metal pouches? Some shots at multiple hundred pieces? A shot at any of the glowing weapons? Something? This is just your typical raw grind backed with voodoo speak, half-truths and delusions of balance from SE.

Who the hell cares about stage2? The person that hammers out that trial will have mush for brains once they manage to finally finish. Good to know SE doesn't give a fuck about the 'word to the players' they tote around.

20, sure not unjustified.

5? They're not just gonna hand it to you.

And it's not just the complaining, it's the whole "omg if it's not easy to get the absolute best weapons in the game, I'm quitting" threats that make me lol

[Rezeak]

5? They're not just gonna hand it to you.

And it's not just the complaining, it's the whole "omg if it's not easy to get the absolute best weapons in the game, I'm quitting" threats that make me lol

5 is still bad tho if i could upgrade my relic w/ 60 riftcinder/dross i'd rather do that cause at least i can kill the VW mobs 20 times a day and save gil to buy them.

Either way the difficult they wanted was Emp (hardest) > Relic > Mythic (easiest)

As it is atm it is Relic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mythic = Emp.

If we could exchange Riftcinder/dross for Umbral marrow (iono 10 for 1) just as a way of making it so relic will not be as hard as Emps.

Like they said they wanted most players to be able to obtain them which will never be the case while the drops are linked to Arch Dyna lord.

[Brolic]

20, sure not unjustified.

5? They're not just gonna hand it to you.

No one handed me a relic(well my shell did) but still no one did. it's not like they're putting hard on top of free. they're putting hard on what was at the time a multi-year commitment.