Ok...let me level with you here SE...

[Helel]

You (devs) realize that you've invariably made relics the hardest weapons to upgrade? Camate posted your thought process of mythic > relic > empyrean, when in fact it is empyrean > mythic > relic (mythics may be easier than empyrean with zeni buff). But my point is that relics are so much more difficult than either mythic or empyrean; how could you ever fathom them being easier to upgrade than empyreans? Rift items are an absolute joke to get.

How is it fair that relic users can only farm items for their upgrade 2 hours a day when empyrean users can spam VWNMs all day long? It's almost guaranteed that at least one person out of the 18 will get 1 rift item, and since you seem to have no problem forcing people to lot over a single item (ADL drop), how is this any different from allowing those that receive rift items to give them to a single person until everyone completes their empyrean weapon. Basically what I'm saying is, assuming that only person is receiving the drop (like PW or ADL), empyrean users will only need to kill 20-60 VWNMs for each weapon. The difficulty of this upgrade is so far below relics that you'd have to be delusional to think otherwise.

[Runespider]

I think the problem is they are trying to run 2-3 mmos now and they don't have the resources to do it, as such they are making these horrible massive time sink crap that's going to make the playerbase of all their games ragequit.

I put up with this crap in the past with salvage etc but after the fun I had with Abyssea and at this stage of the games life, this crap isn't going to fly. Everything since Abyssea has been crap ontop of more crap ontop of more crap, I'm really angry they are ruining a game I love so much. It's sad that they make horrible decisions and they never listen, never learn and keep pumping out more of it. Legion is going to be such a pile of crap, even if it's fun the drop system will make VW rage seem like a walk in the park. They are just so set in their ideal of punishing us all as players, maybe it's punishment for us all not loving 14 and him getting fired...idk.

The reposnses are madening because it's like talking to someone that refuses to listen to you and just pushes their own ideas, not budging an inch away from them..no matter how much you try to plead with them.

The thing about worrying about people that already started the trials is garbage too, my relic made 4 years ago (that took me 2 years) got no such thoughts when they made them so much easier to get now. The amount of killshots I had to do on it at the begining just before they nerfed them to 1/4 of the amounts had similar attention to the work I put in, they don't care about who started the trial at all.

Nothing against Camate, since he is jsut the messenger but the devs are being frigging stupid and arrogant.

EIther way as for not playing FFXIV if ya add this or not ..... well i'm not gonna play it anyway cause i will never play another MMO made by SE while i enjoyed FFXI it focused tooo much on repeating the same stuff X10000.

This so much, after being punished for being a long time subscriber to their flagship MMO the way we are being here I don't know how anyone could ever considering playing any other MMO put out by Square. Unless you like being crapped on anyway.

[Damane]

I think the problem is they are trying to run 2-3 mmos now and they don't have the resources to do it, as such they are making these horrible massive time sink crap that's going to make the playerbase of all their games ragequit.

I put up with this crap in the past with salvage etc but after the fun I had with Abyssea and at this stage of the games life, this crap isn't going to fly. Everything since Abyssea has been crap ontop of more crap ontop of more crap, I'm really angry they are ruining a game I love so much. It's sad that they make horrible decisions and they never listen, never learn and keep pumping out more of it. Legion is going to be such a pile of crap, even if it's fun the drop system will make VW rage seem like a walk in the park. They are just so set in their ideal of punishing us all as players, maybe it's punishment for us all not loving 14 and him getting fired...idk.

The reposnses are madening because it's like talking to someone that refuses to listen to you and just pushes their own ideas, not budging an inch away from them..no matter how much you try to plead with them.

The thing about worrying about people that already started the trials is garbage too, my relic made 4 years ago (that took me 2 years) got no such thoughts when they made them so much easier to get now. The amount of killshots I had to do on it at the begining just before they nerfed them to 1/4 of the amounts had similar attention to the work I put in, they don't care about who started the trial at all.

Nothing against Camate, since he is jsut the messenger but the devs are being frigging stupid and arrogant.

Bolded for truth I am/was in the same boat

[Byrth]

This post on FFXIAH has a useful solution that solves all the problems posed:

I think an easy fix for the weapons would be to leave the 99 trial as is, but hear me out.

To get to level 99 stage:
20 Umbral Marrow for Relics
10 Mulcibar's Scoria for Mythics
60 Riftdross/Riftcinder for Empyreans

To get the afterglow 99 stage: (these numbers are just random)
300 Arch Dynamis Lord Kills (Relic)
200 Pandemonium Warden Kills (Mythic)
??? for Empyrean (500 Riftcinder/Riftdross?)

I think formatting the trials this way would be much better than needing the same item for the 99 stage AND the afterglow stage. Even if they make it that you have to kill a ridiculous amount of ADL or PW for the afterglow stage, at least it will be more feasible. It would also encourage people who finish their 99 stage to help with more ADL and PW kills rather than just bail when they get their items. So that's my two cents.

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/28...es/16/#1737924

With this setup, people who have already obtained items for the 99 trial will not be punished, and those people (if there are any) who were going for the glow trial would be able to reclaim their gil. I would recommend 500 Ig-Alima or Botulus Rex kills for the Empyrean glow trial.

This would ensure a long-lasting and steady supply of the items that people need to upgrade to the NQ level 99 relic weapons.

[Helel]

This post on FFXIAH has a useful solution that solves all the problems posed:

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/28...es/16/#1737924

With this setup, people who have already obtained items for the 99 trial will not be punished, and those people (if there are any) who were going for the glow trial would be able to reclaim their gil. I would recommend 500 Ig-Alima or Botulus Rex kills for the Empyrean glow trial.

This would ensure a long-lasting and steady supply of the items that people need to upgrade to the NQ level 99 relic weapons.

Unless someone is currently suffering from the largest brain tumor known to man, nobody is going to do the stage 2 trials. I want to say that there isn't a human being out there quite stupid enough to sacrifice so much gil (killing ADL instead of farming currency) to make their weapon glow, but maybe there is; and if there is, we'll all be able to see them glow so we can point and laugh and feel better about ourselves.

[Runespider]

It's also depressing to see how Yoshi and the 'new' XIV team are bending over backwards to try to listen and accommodate players' suggestions and criticisms as they [SE] work on XIV 2.0, while the XI team after a period a year or so back of apparently learning from the years of completely ignoring the XI playerbase and making many changes to XI to make it more 'user friendly' (and reaping much praise for their changed attitude), have now sunk back into their former deaf-to-the-players state.

FFXI had it's "listen to the playerbase" period too, no matter what the current lead of FFXIV is doing that can change in a blink of an eye, just as happened in XI when we got captain balance back. As FFXI players right now we are being punished for being loyal subscribers and being treated like crap, if you play, or plan to play any other SE MMO you better expect the same treatment. They don't value us, they just want to do as little work as possible to keep us paying them. That's what this trial is, we can understand a certain amount of this kind of content but when it's this blatant and obvious it's pretty disrespectful.

[Dragoy]

Disregarding the ridonkulous trials being devised, I find it borderline hilarious that they reason not changing anything in general because some players might have already collected some of the items that will be required for them...

I'm not biting that. >.>;

[Rezeak]

From the Jp forum the planned number is ....
here
Relic Weapon: 5
Mythic Weapon: 3
Emp Weapon: 60

Still annoying... but least it's not 20

There was something about getting kill but i think they said the same thing that it wouldn't be added cause of pple already collecting items.

Also they said something about if it was kills it would be item X 18 in kill so near 100 kills .... goddamn

Edit : Honestly i feel this is still dumb
Wish they make us work for new gear not existing gear that already required months/years of work

[Unctgtg]

From the Jp forum the planned number is ....

Relic Weapon: 5
Mythic Weapon: 3
Emp Weapon: 60

Still annoying... but least it's not 20

There was something about getting kill but i think they said the same thing that it wouldn't be added cause of pple already collecting items.

Also they said something about if it was kills it would be item X 18 in kill so near 100 kills .... goddamn

Edit : Honestly i feel this is still dumb
Wish they make us work for new gear not existing gear that already required months/years of work

Still not acceptable.

[Vold]

From the Jp forum the planned number is ....
here
Relic Weapon: 5
Mythic Weapon: 3
Emp Weapon: 60

Still annoying... but least it's not 20

There was something about getting kill but i think they said the same thing that it wouldn't be added cause of pple already collecting items.

Also they said something about if it was kills it would be item X 18 in kill so near 100 kills .... goddamn

Edit : Honestly i feel this is still dumb
Wish they make us work for new gear not existing gear that already required months/years of work

"5 ok?"